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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Facts
Posted by: Phil Andrews
Date/Time: 12/06/11 22:33:00

Adam

Like you I can't recall ever having encountered partiality towards or against any political party on the part of council planning officers.  Some have their own views and indeed in some cases allegiances, but that is their right and so long as they do not bring them to work it is not an issue.

That is not what lies at the root of the issue we had with the department.

The problem that arose with the community councillors was that we represented an "ideology", if it can be so described, that sought to create opportunities for greater community involvement in local affairs, including planning matters.

This inevitably created the potential for conflict with a department which, in our experience, only involved the public in the process at all when it was absolutely obliged to and even then clearly under extreme protest.  The belief that members of the public were untrained and should thus leave planning to those whose field of professional expertise it was clearly informed the department's dealings with said public, which it seemed to consider a nuisance.

When the department was restructured (and members of the ICG freely participated in the restructuring process quite oblivious as to what we were letting ourselves in for) this situation was exacerbated by the attitude of certain key personnel who, with our once enthusiastic support, had been elevated to key positions.

So in other words what we are talking about is not bias on the part of officers in a party political sense, but a natural defensiveness in the face of a group of councillors with a fundamentally different outlook to that which informed their own corporate view of how the chain of command should operate.

The reason this developed and the cause of the relationship deteriorating to the point of breakdown was that, although the community councillors were ostensibly "in power", it was clear to the corporate management that we did not have the backing of our coalition partners.   This enabled the corporate management to exploit the situation, to pitch partner against partner, and to take advantage of the ensuing confusion in a way that ensured that any "ideological" influence over the way that we dealt with the public (not in the decisions we took, which we all understood and accepted were dictated by planning law) was stunted as we spent all of our time fighting all comers rather than achieving positive change.

To give an example of the attitude to which I refer, an attempt was made to have an Isleworth residents' leader, a very high-profile spokesperson for a civic group with a membership in the thousands, designated a "vexatious complainant" so that all of her correspondence on behalf of her residents could be officially ignored. Only when the ICG threatened to invoke the nuclear option did our partners quietly impress upon the chief officer that he had overstepped the mark (ironically the lady in question was/is a member of the Conservative Party, but it was the ICG's intervention on her behalf that forced the issue).

So you will see it was not a question of political preference, so much as one of bureaucratic self-interest.  As far as we are concerned it is still unfinished business.


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Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 13:51:00 Adam Beamish
   Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 14:32:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
      Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 15:31:00 Adam Beamish
         Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 16:12:00 Phil Andrews
         Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 16:15:00 Monica Devlin
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 16:28:00 Adam Beamish
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 17:04:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 17:06:00 Adam Beamish
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 17:41:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 18:02:00 George Knox
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 19:30:00 Adam Beamish
   Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 20:19:00 Elizabeth Ross
      Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees04/06/11 02:02:00 Phil Andrews
         Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees04/06/11 08:40:00 Francis Rowe
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees04/06/11 12:22:00 Phil Andrews
               Front page article re. area planning committees04/06/11 14:02:00 George Knox
            Area Planning committees terminated04/06/11 18:50:00 John Todd
               Re:Area Planning committees terminated05/06/11 01:14:00 Phil Andrews
               Re:Area Planning committees terminated06/06/11 10:31:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Area Planning committees terminated06/06/11 11:02:00 Phil Andrews
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees09/06/11 15:24:00 Adam Beamish
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees09/06/11 15:53:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees09/06/11 16:03:00 Adam Beamish
   Re:Front page article re. area planning committees05/06/11 15:41:00 Sarah Bradley
      Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees05/06/11 16:27:00 Elizabeth Ross
      Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees05/06/11 18:27:00 George Knox
         Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees06/06/11 12:04:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees06/06/11 12:27:00 Elizabeth Ross
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees06/06/11 13:07:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees06/06/11 14:23:00 Elizabeth Ross
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees06/06/11 12:55:00 Phil Andrews
               Abolition of Chiswick Area Planning Committee is bad news for Chiswick06/06/11 18:26:00 David Giles
                  Re:Abolition of Chiswick Area Planning Committee is bad news for Chiswick06/06/11 20:23:00 Phil Andrews
                     Re:Re:Abolition of Chiswick Area Planning Committee is bad news for Chiswick06/06/11 23:50:00 George Knox
                        Re:Re:Re:Abolition of Chiswick Area Planning Committee is bad news for Chiswick07/06/11 10:40:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Abolition of Chiswick Area Planning Committee is bad news for Chiswick07/06/11 11:02:00 Phil Andrews
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Abolition of Chiswick Area Planning Committee is bad news for Chiswick07/06/11 17:18:00 David Giles
      Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees09/06/11 15:37:00 Adam Beamish
         Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees09/06/11 17:08:00 David Giles
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees09/06/11 21:41:00 Adam Beamish
               :Front page article re. area planning committees10/06/11 10:40:00 David McLoughlin
                  Re::Front page article re. area planning committees10/06/11 11:08:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re::Front page article re. area planning committees10/06/11 12:11:00 Adam Beamish
                     Re:Re::Front page article re. area planning committees12/06/11 10:38:00 David McLoughlin
                        Re:Re:Re::Front page article re. area planning committees12/06/11 11:57:00 Guy Lambert
                           Front page article re. area planning committees12/06/11 14:45:00 George Knox
                              Re:Front page article re. area planning committees12/06/11 15:06:00 Guy Lambert
                                 Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees12/06/11 15:37:00 George Knox
                                 Facts12/06/11 16:32:00 John Todd
                                    Re:Facts12/06/11 18:17:00 Elizabeth Ross
                                       Re:Re:Facts12/06/11 19:32:00 Phil Andrews
                                          Re:Re:Re:Facts12/06/11 21:16:00 Adam Beamish
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Facts12/06/11 22:33:00 Phil Andrews
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Facts13/06/11 12:22:00 Adam Beamish
                                                   Opinions13/06/11 12:49:00 Richard Greenhough

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