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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees
Posted by: Adam Beamish
Date/Time: 03/06/11 19:30:00

I don't see any way in which the Localism Bill will 'benefit' developers.  It could however becomes a 'NIMBYS' charter, and I fear those with the loudest voices will not necessarily be representative of the wider community.

The cynic in me also feels this is basically a way of cutting costs at local government level by getting the public to do more of the 'work' that local authorities would usually take the lead on, but no longer can due to cost-cutting/dwindling resources etc.

And, as I frequently harp on about, I don't believe the public at large has any real idea of the cost, resources and hassle just to get a planning application validated these days, trust me it isn't in a developer's interest to get an application refused by not engaging with the community etc.

Plans, Directives and Strategies have their place and rightly so, at both local, regional and national level.  But how 'micro' should we go ? - different plans/strategies for different streets ?.  Is such an approach workable, or indeed desirable ? - as I often say often the 'interested public' actually represent a very broad range of interest and views, often contradictory to one another etc.

I don't disagree with Phil about the importance of local Councillors with Local Authorities, my ongoing concern, particularly in the current climate of cost cutting in local government, is that Officers are often unwilling to stick their heads above the parapet for fear of the consequences.

For instance, one of my applications was recently favourably recommended by Officers to a Council Planning Committee after a year of extensive discussions, amendments etc, and after the same Committee had 3 months earlier deferred determination of the application to enable my client and the Council's solicitors to thrash out a legal agreement.  The Council solicitor was very active in that thrashing out, we made numerous concessions, and everyone was content.

As soon as the Members starting discussing the merits of the application, several of them expressed how they "hated" retrospective applications and were loathe to approve them, which is totally contrary to national policy/guidance etc.  At that point the Council solicitor who had worked so hard on negotiations and was at committee to address any legal implications should have said "hold on, you can't say that, you must determine the application on its merits".  But no, throughout the entire discussion on the application the solicitor said nothing, Members got it refused, we end up appealing, more time and expense for both us and the Council, and any day now I'm sure we'll get a decision notice allowing the appeal.

You tell me why that solicitor kept quiet at Committee - because he wants to keep his job, simple as that.  I touched upon my Hillingdon experience earlier and it was exactly that, I dared to speak out, to express a professional view to the Director that what she was telling me to do (to cover up the previous failure of her Officers to do anything, or on another occasion to deliberately mislead the public to avoid having to reveal to Councillors that Officers hadn't done what Councillors had told them to do) was completely unreasonable, and lo and behold I'm suddenly suspended and then I'm suddenly paid off.   

It's that kind of culture which worries me, but ironically throughout all the years I've worked in Planning I've never experienced an unreasonable Councillor, they'll listen and respect your opinion/expertise and vice versa.

Anyhow, gone abit off tangent !.  More importantly I have to disappear altogether as I'm away for afew days...have a good weekend all :-)


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 13:51:00 Adam Beamish
   Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 14:32:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
      Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 15:31:00 Adam Beamish
         Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 16:12:00 Phil Andrews
         Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 16:15:00 Monica Devlin
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 16:28:00 Adam Beamish
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 17:04:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 17:06:00 Adam Beamish
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 17:41:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 18:02:00 George Knox
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 19:30:00 Adam Beamish
   Re:Front page article re. area planning committees03/06/11 20:19:00 Elizabeth Ross
      Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees04/06/11 02:02:00 Phil Andrews
         Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees04/06/11 08:40:00 Francis Rowe
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees04/06/11 12:22:00 Phil Andrews
               Front page article re. area planning committees04/06/11 14:02:00 George Knox
            Area Planning committees terminated04/06/11 18:50:00 John Todd
               Re:Area Planning committees terminated05/06/11 01:14:00 Phil Andrews
               Re:Area Planning committees terminated06/06/11 10:31:00 Francis Rowe
                  Re:Re:Area Planning committees terminated06/06/11 11:02:00 Phil Andrews
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees09/06/11 15:24:00 Adam Beamish
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees09/06/11 15:53:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees09/06/11 16:03:00 Adam Beamish
   Re:Front page article re. area planning committees05/06/11 15:41:00 Sarah Bradley
      Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees05/06/11 16:27:00 Elizabeth Ross
      Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees05/06/11 18:27:00 George Knox
         Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees06/06/11 12:04:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees06/06/11 12:27:00 Elizabeth Ross
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees06/06/11 13:07:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees06/06/11 14:23:00 Elizabeth Ross
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees06/06/11 12:55:00 Phil Andrews
               Abolition of Chiswick Area Planning Committee is bad news for Chiswick06/06/11 18:26:00 David Giles
                  Re:Abolition of Chiswick Area Planning Committee is bad news for Chiswick06/06/11 20:23:00 Phil Andrews
                     Re:Re:Abolition of Chiswick Area Planning Committee is bad news for Chiswick06/06/11 23:50:00 George Knox
                        Re:Re:Re:Abolition of Chiswick Area Planning Committee is bad news for Chiswick07/06/11 10:40:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Abolition of Chiswick Area Planning Committee is bad news for Chiswick07/06/11 11:02:00 Phil Andrews
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Abolition of Chiswick Area Planning Committee is bad news for Chiswick07/06/11 17:18:00 David Giles
      Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees09/06/11 15:37:00 Adam Beamish
         Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees09/06/11 17:08:00 David Giles
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees09/06/11 21:41:00 Adam Beamish
               :Front page article re. area planning committees10/06/11 10:40:00 David McLoughlin
                  Re::Front page article re. area planning committees10/06/11 11:08:00 Phil Andrews
                  Re::Front page article re. area planning committees10/06/11 12:11:00 Adam Beamish
                     Re:Re::Front page article re. area planning committees12/06/11 10:38:00 David McLoughlin
                        Re:Re:Re::Front page article re. area planning committees12/06/11 11:57:00 Guy Lambert
                           Front page article re. area planning committees12/06/11 14:45:00 George Knox
                              Re:Front page article re. area planning committees12/06/11 15:06:00 Guy Lambert
                                 Re:Re:Front page article re. area planning committees12/06/11 15:37:00 George Knox
                                 Facts12/06/11 16:32:00 John Todd
                                    Re:Facts12/06/11 18:17:00 Elizabeth Ross
                                       Re:Re:Facts12/06/11 19:32:00 Phil Andrews
                                          Re:Re:Re:Facts12/06/11 21:16:00 Adam Beamish
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Facts12/06/11 22:33:00 Phil Andrews
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Facts13/06/11 12:22:00 Adam Beamish
                                                   Opinions13/06/11 12:49:00 Richard Greenhough

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