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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice
Posted by: Stewart Dean
Date/Time: 01/07/08 13:43:00

Colin, I'll address your points.

First I'm not nagging, I'm stating a view based upon what I know. I have limited this recently to this thread so I have zero guilt about posting here. As long as there appears to be interest in this debate I'm happy to chip in. As someone else pointed out the level of public knowledge about global warming is dire as, well, many people just don't know or understand what causes it, what you can possibly do about it etc.

Next science never conclusively proves anything but as far as science can be certain global warming is anthropogenic.

There are many myths floating around which have been debunked. These range from solar activity to cloud formations. There simply is little or no correlation between these causes and the current rise in temperature.

To view many of the common myths check out this link

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn11462

The next issue is what can we do about it? Depending on who you talk to the current answers range from 'nothing it's too late' to 'why bother' to 'as much as we can'. There are many obvious things that unequivocally will help, such as reducing the amount of meat you eat, buying less consumer electronics, drinking less bottled water, driving in a more smooth style etc etc. No hair shirts required.

I am not being patronising, far from it, and judging by your heavily loaded language you see it as an attack on your lifestyle. This is where people do get passionate. We all want to know what we should be doing to be a success in life and different people put different criteria on it. Someone I met recently who had moved to this country from a less rich country had managed to by an SUV and was proud of the fact but couldn't understand why his co workers where disparaging of his item of status. The reason was increasingly in the west 'bling' culture is see as a lower culture as it becomes socially unacceptable. The more we know about how a diamond is produced the less we want to wear one.

But is your life really altered by not owning a diamond? My answer is no, it only has the worth that others ascribe to it. If a rolex is considered garish and tacky by your friends then what does it matter if it cost more than a families yearly income in India?

Look I do understand, there is only we can do. For now I'm just trying to expose a few myths, one being that there is still debate in the scientific community that global warming is anthropogenic. I'd also like to quash a few myths about what actions are beneficial but I'll make do with the former.

Please don't take it so personally, it's not intended to be that way.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 14:53:00 Stewart Dean
   Re:No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 15:16:00 Fraser Pearce
      Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 15:29:00 Stewart Dean
         Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 15:42:00 John Mc Cann
            Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 16:18:00 Stewart Dean
   Re:No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 15:36:00 Fraser Pearce
      Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 16:15:00 Stewart Dean
   Re:No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 15:56:00 Bill Green
      Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 17:41:00 Fraser Pearce
         Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 17:47:00 Martin Hime
            Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 17:48:00 Michelle Weaver
            Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 18:39:00 Stewart Dean
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 18:51:00 Viv Griffith
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 19:23:00 Stewart Dean
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 19:42:00 Viv Griffith
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 20:45:00 Stewart Dean
                           Re:No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 21:40:00 Mick OBrien
                              Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.28/06/08 07:43:00 Stewart Dean
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.28/06/08 11:34:00 Robert Brown
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.28/06/08 18:51:00 Stewart Dean
   Re:No ice at the North Pole.27/06/08 21:43:00 Christine Hooper
      Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.28/06/08 15:30:00 Henry Beckett
         Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.28/06/08 20:43:00 Fraser Pearce
            Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.28/06/08 21:57:00 Stewart Dean
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.28/06/08 22:03:00 Martin Hime
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.28/06/08 22:59:00 Henry Beckett
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.28/06/08 23:11:00 Adam Beamish
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.29/06/08 08:59:00 Stewart Dean
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.29/06/08 08:47:00 Stewart Dean
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.29/06/08 08:31:00 Stewart Dean
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.29/06/08 09:16:00 Viv Griffith
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.29/06/08 09:46:00 Colin Jordan
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.29/06/08 11:57:00 Stewart Dean
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:No ice at the North Pole.29/06/08 17:55:00 Lynette Duff
   Tiger in Dessert?29/06/08 09:50:00 Margaret Wilcocks
      Re:cuts no ice29/06/08 13:26:00 Henry Beckett
         Re:Re:cuts no ice29/06/08 18:23:00 Stewart Dean
         Re:Re:cuts no ice29/06/08 19:42:00 Tom Pike
            Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice29/06/08 20:18:00 Henry Beckett
               Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice29/06/08 20:49:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice29/06/08 21:00:00 Henry Beckett
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice29/06/08 21:41:00 Martin Hime
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice29/06/08 21:57:00 Stewart Dean
               Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice29/06/08 21:55:00 Stewart Dean
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice29/06/08 22:15:00 Henry Beckett
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice29/06/08 23:32:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice29/06/08 23:32:00 Stewart Dean
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice30/06/08 14:39:00 Fraser Pearce
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice30/06/08 15:07:00 Stewart Dean
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice30/06/08 15:24:00 John Marshall
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice30/06/08 16:26:00 Fraser Pearce
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 00:22:00 Stewart Dean
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice30/06/08 16:37:00 Pete Higginson
                                    Re::cuts no ice30/06/08 16:54:00 Fred Bray
                                       Re:Re::cuts no ice30/06/08 16:56:00 Will Watson
                                          Re:Re:Re::cuts no ice30/06/08 17:43:00 Stewart Dean
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 04:22:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 08:13:00 John Marshall
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 09:10:00 Stewart Dean
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 10:45:00 Viv Griffith
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 11:33:00 Stewart Dean
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 11:11:00 Malcolm Peltu
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 11:35:00 Stewart Dean
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 12:09:00 Colin Jordan
                                             Situation dire for North Pole residents01/07/08 13:10:00 Fred Bray
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 13:43:00 Stewart Dean
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 13:59:00 Cameron Laing
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 15:09:00 Stewart Dean
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 16:13:00 Tom Pike
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 16:29:00 John Marshall
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 17:24:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 18:28:00 Felicity Baron
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 18:46:00 Tom Pike
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 19:08:00 Felicity Baron
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:cuts no ice01/07/08 19:53:00 Tom Pike
   Vegetarian01/07/08 18:17:00 Tamara Kozak
      Re:Vegetarian01/07/08 18:20:00 Henry Beckett
         Re:Re:Vegetarian01/07/08 19:12:00 Fraser Pearce
            Re:Re:Re:Vegetarian01/07/08 20:33:00 Tom Pike
               Relion and science02/07/08 10:42:00 Malcolm Peltu

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