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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......
Posted by: Paul Green
Date/Time: 13/11/12 09:44:00

It may not be a living hell, but many people are adversely effected by noise, and many people choose to move as a result. Even those that stay can suffer from disrupted sleep and elevated stress, as many studies have shown. Lets not forget that the third runway will NOT have the option of the current alternation, so it will have noise EVERY day from likely 6am until 11pm at night, with a plane overhead every couple of minutes.

Then there is the little issue of air quality, which around LHR already fails European standards, and more research is telling us how much illness and death this causes. Just because people already die on the roads does not mean we should accept the risk of more death from accidents or pollution at LHR, at least not unless these are properly built into a cost benefit analysis (which they not when the last govnt approved R3).

It always amazes me how some people dismiss noise and pollution issues, things that the rest of Europe take incredibly seriously. THere is a reason that Schipol, Paris, Frankfurt can expand, as they were deliberately placed away from major built up areas. Planes are not allowed to fly over Paris except at high altitudes.

A third runway would see LHR ultimately handling over 120m pax pa, that TWICE the current size. Do you ever try and use the M4 or M25 at present, do you see how often roads in the area are gridlocked by any incident on the A4 or M4. How are all those extra passenger journeys going to be accomodated?

The economic benefits of airports and direct employment are always grossly overstated, the vast majority of jobs are low paying eg cleaners, security and retail. We have an annual tourist deficit of some £20bn. Building more airport capacity is not going to address this, but probably make it worse.

Rhather than ignore issues of noise, pollution, and bland statements about economic benefits, perhaps some of the pro R3 lobby can come up with some concrete arguments.


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Spectator Debate On Third Runway 26 November 09/11/12 13:42:00 Claire Moran
   Re:Spectator Debate On Third Runway 26 November 09/11/12 17:42:00 Iris Hill
   Re:Spectator Debate On Third Runway 26 November 09/11/12 17:44:00 Iris Hill
      Re:Re:Spectator Debate On Third Runway 26 November 09/11/12 18:01:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:Spectator Debate On Third Runway 26 November 09/11/12 18:17:00 David Giles
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Spectator Debate On Third Runway 26 November 09/11/12 22:15:00 John Hickman
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Spectator Debate On Third Runway 26 November 09/11/12 23:08:00 Thomas Barry
                   Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......10/11/12 16:50:00 David Giles
                     Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......10/11/12 18:16:00 Roger Talbot
                        Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......10/11/12 18:20:00 David Giles
                           Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......10/11/12 18:35:00 Roger Talbot
                              Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......11/11/12 00:08:00 Claire Moran
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......11/11/12 10:07:00 Roger Talbot
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......11/11/12 10:20:00 Tim Henderson
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......11/11/12 18:48:00 David Giles
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......12/11/12 10:09:00 Roger Talbot
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......12/11/12 10:25:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......12/11/12 10:32:00 Roger Talbot
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......12/11/12 17:04:00 Claire Moran
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......12/11/12 17:19:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......12/11/12 17:28:00 Claire Moran
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......12/11/12 21:55:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......12/11/12 17:33:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......12/11/12 22:42:00 Thomas Barry
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......12/11/12 23:06:00 Claire Moran
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......13/11/12 09:44:00 Paul Green
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......13/11/12 09:54:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......13/11/12 10:05:00 Paul Green
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......13/11/12 10:24:00 Will Watson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......13/11/12 11:08:00 Roger Talbot
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......13/11/12 11:06:00 Tim Henderson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......13/11/12 11:14:00 Claire Moran
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......13/11/12 14:30:00 Paul Green
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Debates On Third Runway  are fine but......13/11/12 14:26:00 Dave Robertson
                                              Heathrow is simply in the wrong place14/11/12 20:05:00 David Giles
                                                Giles is confusing me14/11/12 21:43:00 Thomas Barry
                                                Re: Heathrow is simply in the wrong place14/11/12 22:33:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                   Re:Re: Heathrow is simply in the wrong place14/11/12 23:52:00 Dave Robertson
                                                      Re:Re:Re: Heathrow is simply in the wrong place15/11/12 08:22:00 David Giles
                                                      Evening Standard at it again15/11/12 09:53:00 Thomas Barry
                                                         Re:Evening Standard at it again15/11/12 09:59:00 Claire Moran
                                                            Re:Re:Evening Standard at it again15/11/12 10:13:00 Paul Green
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Evening Standard at it again15/11/12 10:25:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Evening Standard at it again15/11/12 10:53:00 Thomas Barry
                                                         Re:Evening Standard at it again15/11/12 10:45:00 Will Watson
                                                            Re:Re:Evening Standard at it again15/11/12 11:13:00 Tim Henderson
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Evening Standard at it again15/11/12 15:27:00 David Giles
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Evening Standard at it again15/11/12 15:49:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Evening Standard at it again15/11/12 17:13:00 Dave Robertson
                                                                        Heathrow's interests are not the same as the UK's15/11/12 19:49:00 David Giles

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