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Topic: Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world
Posted by: Tom Pike
Date/Time: 26/09/24 15:59:00

Adrian, although it's only one bus, your observations are consistent with TfL's data.

TfL stated that most passengers, averaging 20 per bus, crossing the bridge were heading to the tube. That's in line with what you saw. 

As for the extra time taken to walk over rather than stay on the bus, it's probably nearer 10 mins - 20 minutes is generous in getting from Lonsdale Road to the tube station, and the traffic on the gyratory is bad at peak times when most passengers are travelling.

If it's raining, most people taking public transport can expect to get a little wet, getting to or from the bus stop or station either end of their journey. Certainly, walking over the bridge is a far more pleasant experience without 22,000 vehicles a day were thundering over a creaking bridge feet away. I'm not sure spending £250m to help us through some rainy days will make it to the top of the government's current priorities.

Indeed, if the prospect of an occasional wet walk over the bridge was regarded as a significant obstacle, we'd have seen passenger numbers at Hammersmith tube fall significantly immediately after the bridge closure as a good proportion of the station users come from south of the river. In fact passenger numbers stayed flat. That's consistent with LBHF counts of more than 12,000 pedestrians and nearly 4000 cyclists crossing the bridge after the closure, compared to 3000 and 1000 before the closure. The difference equates to 600 bus loads of 20 people each. By far the greatest disruption was when the bridge was completely closed.

That's still somewhat less than the over 800 buses crossing the bridge before the closure, but passenger numbers at both of Barnes stations ticked up after the closure, making up some of the difference. What's left will be to some extent distributed on other public transport routes, but will be difficult to discern with any confidence.

There's certainly little evidence that the bridge closure has led to more people driving, quite the opposite, with traffic numbers slightly down in the area compared to London as a whole. Pollution is down as well, especially in Barnes.

There's no dispute about the bus numbers: My London just screwed up. The number they use, 1,800, comes not from TfL as they claim but from the LBHF timeline below where it refers to the number of buses before the limits on crossing the bridge were introduced. The "16,000 pedestrians" also comes from the same LBHF timeline but is in fact the count of pedestrians and cyclists after the closure. You're simply clinging to shoddy journalism from My London, not any valid number from TfL.

https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/hammersmith-bridge/hammersmith-bridge-timeline


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Hammersmith Bridge 22/09/24 09:22:00 Teresa Qureshi
   Reply22/09/24 11:35:00 John Hall
      Re:Hammersmith Bridge22/09/24 11:53:00 Richard Greenhough
         Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge22/09/24 20:06:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge22/09/24 21:47:00 John Bird
   Re:Hammersmith Bridge 23/09/24 06:09:00 Philippa Bond
      Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 23/09/24 06:28:00 Steve Taylor
         Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 23/09/24 08:24:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 23/09/24 12:15:00 Peter Crowther
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 23/09/24 12:20:00 Francis Sheehan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 23/09/24 21:53:00 Janice Evans
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 24/09/24 11:31:00 Adrian Irving
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 24/09/24 11:36:00 Adrian Irving
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 24/09/24 12:51:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 24/09/24 14:56:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 24/09/24 15:54:00 Francis Rowe
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 24/09/24 19:20:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 24/09/24 17:37:00 Adrian Irving
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 24/09/24 19:56:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 24/09/24 20:22:00 Steve Taylor
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 24/09/24 20:37:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 09:05:00 Adrian Irving
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 09:29:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 10:25:00 Adrian Irving
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 11:19:00 Tom Pike
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 12:31:00 Adrian Irving
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 13:08:00 Tom Pike
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 20:44:00 Adrian Irving
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 24/09/24 23:02:00 John Bird
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 07:43:00 Steve Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 08:28:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 09:49:00 Bruce Hammal
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 10:50:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 10:55:00 Tom Pike
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 11:16:00 Simon Hayes
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 11:29:00 Steve Taylor
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 11:44:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 12:23:00 Simon Hayes
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 12:39:00 Tom Pike
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 12:51:00 Adrian Irving
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 16:15:00 Simon Hayes
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 17:13:00 Tom Pike
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 18:10:00 Simon Hayes
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 18:21:00 Tom Pike
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 20:41:00 Simon Hayes
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 21:05:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 12:29:00 Bruce Hammal
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 12:56:00 Tom Pike
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 13:04:00 Bruce Hammal
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 25/09/24 13:15:00 Tom Pike
                                                      ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world26/09/24 13:59:00 Adrian Irving
                                                         Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world26/09/24 14:22:00 Michael Robinson
                                                            Re:Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world26/09/24 14:48:00 Bruce Hammal
                                                               Re:Re:Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world26/09/24 15:16:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                               Re:Re:Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world26/09/24 16:11:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world26/09/24 15:59:00 Tom Pike
                                                            Re:Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world26/09/24 16:16:00 Michael Robinson
                                                               Re:Re:Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world26/09/24 17:47:00 Tom Pike
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world27/09/24 17:49:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world27/09/24 19:11:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world27/09/24 22:37:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world27/09/24 23:01:00 Paul Campbell
                                                            Re:Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world:  Embracing the rain is good for you28/09/24 15:23:00 Philippa Bond
                                                               Re:Re:Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world:  Embracing the rain is good for you28/09/24 16:12:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world:  Embracing the rain is good for you28/09/24 20:58:00 Peter Evans
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world:  Embracing the rain is good for you28/10/24 22:36:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world:  Embracing the rain is good for you28/10/24 23:33:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                           ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world:  Embracing the rain is good for you29/10/24 00:03:00 Phil Kay
                                                                              Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world:  Embracing the rain is good for you29/10/24 15:49:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                                 Reply31/10/24 17:26:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                                                    Re:Reply31/10/24 17:43:00 Paul Campbell
                                                                                       Reply01/11/24 15:31:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                                                          Re:Reply01/11/24 15:55:00 Paul Campbell
                                                                                             Reply03/11/24 10:21:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                                                                Re:Reply03/11/24 11:18:00 Paul Campbell
                                                                                                   Reply05/11/24 15:26:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                                                                      Re:Reply05/11/24 15:55:00 Paul Campbell
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:ReHammersmith Bridge  The real world:  Embracing the rain is good for you01/11/24 15:35:00 Philippa Bond
   Re:Hammersmith Bridge 03/11/24 11:19:00 Carl Johns
      Re:Re:Hammersmith Bridge 03/11/24 11:47:00 Steve Taylor

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