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Topic: Income inequality and the 'small state'
Posted by: David McLoughlin
Date/Time: 24/05/12 10:22:00

Something's being missed in this debate.  Here's a quote from the 2011 OECD report 'Divided we stand: Why Inequality keeps rising'
'Even within the group of top income earners, incomes became more concentrated (Atkinson et al., 2011). In the United States, for instance, the share of the top 0.1% in totalpre-tax income quadrupled in the 30 years to 2008. Just prior to the global recession, the top 0.1% accounted for some 8% of total pre-tax incomes in the United States, some 4-5% in Canada, the United Kingdom, and Switzerland, and close to 3% in Australia, New Zealand,and France (Chapter 9).'  In the US , in 2008, the top 1% had 20% of pre-tax income. At the same time, tax rates  on the highest incomes have fallen sharply.

It's not surprising that the top 0.1% are demanding that the cost of the crisis be borne by everyone else.  They're the one's that fund Grover Norquist in the USA and his 'no-tax increase pledge' which has led to the congressional deadlock. The 'useful idiots' of the TaxPayersAlliance peddle the same bullshit here.

Advanced capitalist economies need an educated and healthy workforce. And that workforce expects a long and healthy retirement. That's the difference between the 1930's and the 2010's. All the industrialized nations spend large amounts on education, health-care and pensions. They vary in what is paid for from tax and what is paid from private incomes.  In the US, for example, 8% of GDP is spent by the Government on health-care and about the same comes from the private sector. Given that this model is notably wasteful and inefficient compared to ,say, France why does the TPA want to spread the model to Europe? Why are they so opposed to Obamacare?

Thirty years ago the Conservative Government encouraged workers to give uo the second state pension and invest in private pensions. All in the cause of a 'smaller state'.
The result has been a miserable failure and a fraud on private pensioners. The only people who benefited are the fund managers and pension providers. It is the taxpayer who will pick up the tab via pension credit and income support.

'Small state' equals inefficient and inequitable provision of health care, education and pensions.  Once bitten, twice shy.


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It's official: back in recession25/04/12 09:45:00 Susan Kelly
   Re:It's official: back in recession25/04/12 11:32:00 Claudia Jachtmann
      Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/04/12 12:12:00 Tim Outteridge
         Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/04/12 12:13:00 Keith Iddon
            Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/04/12 14:03:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/04/12 14:31:00 Tim Outteridge
         Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/04/12 14:24:00 Edward Przepiora
            Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/04/12 14:28:00 Tim Outteridge
            Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/04/12 15:04:00 Roger Talbot
            It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 15:30:00 Thomas Barry
               Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 15:33:00 Claire Moran
                  Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 16:02:00 Thomas Barry
                     Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 16:13:00 Edward Przepiora
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 16:18:00 Claire Moran
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 17:45:00 Birna Helgadottir
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 17:58:00 Keith Iddon
                                 We can't spend our way out of a recession25/04/12 18:35:00 David Giles
                                    Re:We can't spend our way out of a recession25/04/12 21:30:00 Thomas Barry
                                       Re:Re:We can't spend our way out of a recession25/04/12 21:46:00 Keith Iddon
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 13:32:00 Pete Mayes
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 19:51:00 Thomas Barry
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 18:26:00 Jonathan Bingham
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 18:45:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 20:10:00 Thomas Barry
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter28/05/12 00:43:00 Georgina Flint
                        Economics lesson for Edward26/04/12 18:52:00 Thomas Barry
                     Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 20:27:00 Guy Lambert
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 20:35:00 Tim Outteridge
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 20:38:00 Keith Iddon
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 23:52:00 Thomas Barry
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 23:46:00 Thomas Barry
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 00:47:00 Edward Przepiora
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 01:11:00 Keith Iddon
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 07:51:00 Birna Helgadottir
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 12:35:00 John Smith
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 14:13:00 Pete Mayes
                                       It may not even be a fall of 0.2 % in GDP26/04/12 14:46:00 David Giles
                                          Giles grasps at straws26/04/12 15:30:00 Thomas Barry
                                             Re:Giles grasps at straws26/04/12 15:49:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                                                Re:Re:Giles grasps at straws26/04/12 15:54:00 Thomas Barry
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Giles grasps at straws26/04/12 16:06:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                                          It was actually -0.3%24/05/12 09:27:00 Thomas Barry
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 14:48:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                                    Spending your way out of a recession...it worked for Roosevelt, didn't it?26/04/12 14:43:00 David Giles
                                       It may not be a double dip recession after all say leading economists26/04/12 17:38:00 David Giles
                                          So what?26/04/12 18:03:00 Thomas Barry
                                             Re:So what?26/04/12 18:20:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                                                Re:Re:So what?26/04/12 18:43:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                Re:Re:So what?26/04/12 22:10:00 Guy Lambert
                                                History lesson - Ireland/Spain/Argentina. Skip if facts worry you.27/04/12 11:35:00 Thomas Barry
                                                   Income inequality and the 'small state'24/05/12 10:22:00 David McLoughlin
   Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 10:47:00 Stewart Dean
      Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 11:23:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 11:35:00 Stewart Dean
            Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 11:56:00 Susan Kelly
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 13:13:00 Jonathan Bingham
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 13:16:00 Susan Kelly
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 13:48:00 Stewart Dean
            Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 11:56:00 Thomas Barry
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 14:41:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 15:19:00 Susan Kelly
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 18:10:00 Thomas Barry
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 18:10:00 David McLoughlin
   Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 17:58:00 David Roberts
      Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/05/12 14:39:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
         Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/05/12 14:55:00 David Roberts
         Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/05/12 15:30:00 Claudia Jachtmann
            Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/05/12 15:59:00 Susan Kelly
               The Great Crash. 192927/05/12 20:44:00 Michael Sterne
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession27/05/12 22:28:00 Jonathan Bingham
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession28/05/12 06:35:00 William Beausire
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession28/05/12 06:40:00 Susan Kelly
                     Plus28/05/12 09:48:00 Susan Kelly

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