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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter
Posted by: Thomas Barry
Date/Time: 25/04/12 23:46:00

"I agree with every one of your suggestions except the car one, which would mainly drive imports"

I think we're a net exporter these days, mainly Nissans and Toyotas but the badge doesn't matter.  What matters is reducing the amount of foreign oil that they burn, which has the threefold bonus of putting money back into people's pockets through lower fuel and insurance costs, reducing imports and reducing CO2 emissions.

"What about something to encourage bank lending to SMEs?"

Certainly, how about 'boost demand by putting money in people's pockets, thus enabling SMEs to present business plans which aren't too risky for the shattered banks to take on'?  That's the main reason I put tackling rip-off Britain in there, to shift money from excess retained profits into moving around the economy, which it seems rather obvious to me is required if the necessary boost to the private sector Osborne is bellyaching on about is to happen.  In fact any measure that doesn't actively seek to boost people's income is not going to cut it (I forgot to add 'make a firm Government statement that 'trickle down' economics and the Laffer Curve are both henceforth considered as outdated as beige carpets and the Austin Allegro' - we know they don't work, so bin them and invite any Government adviser still clinging onto them to seek alternative employment, preferably on minimum wage).

One thing we have to do that I haven't got a solution for is how to increase wages - mandating a massive hike in minimum wage would put up unemployment and hit all businesses, not just those sitting on a cash pile, cutting payroll taxes would hit the deficit and isn't that efficient a way of getting money moving around the economy.  One possible option is to make it harder to fire people, for two reasons: 1) it's what the Tories wouldn't do and 2) it would boost consumer confidence if we weren't all worrying about the P45.

The unspoken structural reason for the recession is that for thirty years we've had a policy of a) making people relatively poorer by bearing down on wages and b) making them pay for more things by eroding the welfare state, privatising railways etc.  It's pretty obvious to me that relying on household spending to turn the economy around when we're experiencing high inflation with a tight squeeze on wages is fruit-loop bonkers.


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It's official: back in recession25/04/12 09:45:00 Susan Kelly
   Re:It's official: back in recession25/04/12 11:32:00 Claudia Jachtmann
      Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/04/12 12:12:00 Tim Outteridge
         Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/04/12 12:13:00 Keith Iddon
            Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/04/12 14:03:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/04/12 14:31:00 Tim Outteridge
         Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/04/12 14:24:00 Edward Przepiora
            Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/04/12 14:28:00 Tim Outteridge
            Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/04/12 15:04:00 Roger Talbot
            It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 15:30:00 Thomas Barry
               Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 15:33:00 Claire Moran
                  Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 16:02:00 Thomas Barry
                     Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 16:13:00 Edward Przepiora
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 16:18:00 Claire Moran
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 17:45:00 Birna Helgadottir
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 17:58:00 Keith Iddon
                                 We can't spend our way out of a recession25/04/12 18:35:00 David Giles
                                    Re:We can't spend our way out of a recession25/04/12 21:30:00 Thomas Barry
                                       Re:Re:We can't spend our way out of a recession25/04/12 21:46:00 Keith Iddon
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 13:32:00 Pete Mayes
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 19:51:00 Thomas Barry
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 18:26:00 Jonathan Bingham
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 18:45:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 20:10:00 Thomas Barry
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter28/05/12 00:43:00 Georgina Flint
                        Economics lesson for Edward26/04/12 18:52:00 Thomas Barry
                     Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 20:27:00 Guy Lambert
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 20:35:00 Tim Outteridge
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 20:38:00 Keith Iddon
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 23:52:00 Thomas Barry
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter25/04/12 23:46:00 Thomas Barry
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 00:47:00 Edward Przepiora
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 01:11:00 Keith Iddon
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 07:51:00 Birna Helgadottir
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 12:35:00 John Smith
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 14:13:00 Pete Mayes
                                       It may not even be a fall of 0.2 % in GDP26/04/12 14:46:00 David Giles
                                          Giles grasps at straws26/04/12 15:30:00 Thomas Barry
                                             Re:Giles grasps at straws26/04/12 15:49:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                                                Re:Re:Giles grasps at straws26/04/12 15:54:00 Thomas Barry
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Giles grasps at straws26/04/12 16:06:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                                          It was actually -0.3%24/05/12 09:27:00 Thomas Barry
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's more than just one quarter26/04/12 14:48:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                                    Spending your way out of a recession...it worked for Roosevelt, didn't it?26/04/12 14:43:00 David Giles
                                       It may not be a double dip recession after all say leading economists26/04/12 17:38:00 David Giles
                                          So what?26/04/12 18:03:00 Thomas Barry
                                             Re:So what?26/04/12 18:20:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                                                Re:Re:So what?26/04/12 18:43:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                Re:Re:So what?26/04/12 22:10:00 Guy Lambert
                                                History lesson - Ireland/Spain/Argentina. Skip if facts worry you.27/04/12 11:35:00 Thomas Barry
                                                   Income inequality and the 'small state'24/05/12 10:22:00 David McLoughlin
   Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 10:47:00 Stewart Dean
      Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 11:23:00 Thomas Barry
         Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 11:35:00 Stewart Dean
            Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 11:56:00 Susan Kelly
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 13:13:00 Jonathan Bingham
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 13:16:00 Susan Kelly
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 13:48:00 Stewart Dean
            Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 11:56:00 Thomas Barry
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 14:41:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 15:19:00 Susan Kelly
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 18:10:00 Thomas Barry
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 18:10:00 David McLoughlin
   Re:It's official: back in recession24/05/12 17:58:00 David Roberts
      Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/05/12 14:39:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
         Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/05/12 14:55:00 David Roberts
         Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/05/12 15:30:00 Claudia Jachtmann
            Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession25/05/12 15:59:00 Susan Kelly
               The Great Crash. 192927/05/12 20:44:00 Michael Sterne
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession27/05/12 22:28:00 Jonathan Bingham
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession28/05/12 06:35:00 William Beausire
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's official: back in recession28/05/12 06:40:00 Susan Kelly
                     Plus28/05/12 09:48:00 Susan Kelly

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