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Topic: This is not a case of History repeating itself
Posted by: David Giles
Date/Time: 14/12/11 14:15:00

I think that David Cameron made the right decision last Friday and that he will be vindicated by history. I am surprised that Sam Hearn, who is a Conservative Councillor, does not agree wholeheartedly and without reservation.

This is not a case of history repeating itself. The current situation is far more serious than any of the situations faced under the premierships of Margaret Thatcher, John Major, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. This is a totally new situation which can only be compared with the Great Crash of 1929 and the ongoing financial crises that affected Europe, America and indeed the whole world throughout the nineteen-thirties until the Second World War started in 1939.

A large number of European banks are insolvent and are only being kept afloat by government guarantees (private or public)and by scrambling about for short term loans from whoever is will to lend them a hundred million or two.

Partially because Governments have guaranteed the banks, the banking crisis has become a sovereign debt crisis.

A large number of European Governments (in many cases the same Governments that are guaranteeing the banks) are also insolvent because they are unable to meet their current expenditures out of current revenues and are finding it increasingly difficult and expensive to borrow to fund their deficits.

Ireland, Greece and Pourtugal have gone bust, Spain and Italy are in crisis and France is also in very serious trouble. Even Germany has failed to raise all the money it wished to raise in a recent bond issue.

Because the Eurozone shares a single currency and the European Central Bank, the international financial markets and potential investors such as the Chinese, the Gulf Arabs, the Singaporeans etc see the Eurozone as being effectively one country.However that one country until now has lacked the single Government, Fiscal, Taxation and Budgetary Union that normal countries have.  Merkozy recognises this and now is trying the shut the stable doar long after the horse has bolted. But Merkozy lacks a democratic mandate.

Everyone who looks at the Eurozone objectively knows this. Everyone knows that the present Merkozy proposals are too little too late (about 10 years too late)and will do very little to solve the current crisis. The markets will decide the current crisis. Politicians will not and if anything will make it worse.

Instead of nit-picking and trying to find fault with what David Cameron has done, people like Nick Clegg and the increasingly irrelevant and bizarre Ed Milliband should unite behind David Cameron and do what Nick Clegg did initially last Friday- which was to support what David
Cameron had done - and unite not only in the national interest but also in the long term interest of Europe.

Ordinary Europeans simply do not want to be ruled and dictated to by the unelected bureaucrats of the European Commission or by the Chancellor of Germany or the President of France.

Hitler tried that in 1939.

Britain and its Commonwealth stood alone in 1940.

This may yet be David Cameron's finest hour.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Well done Dave!09/12/11 15:09:00 Adrian Irving
   Re:Well done Dave!09/12/11 15:54:00 Roger Talbot
      Re:Re:Well done Dave!09/12/11 16:05:00 David Roberts
      Re:Re:Well done Dave!09/12/11 16:08:00 Michael Daley
         Re:Re:Re:Well done Dave!09/12/11 16:27:00 Richard Greenhough
            Well done Dave!09/12/11 16:39:00 George Knox
               Re:Well done Dave!09/12/11 16:48:00 David Giles
                  Re:Re:Well done Dave!09/12/11 17:06:00 Richard Greenhough
                     Re:Re:Re:Well done Dave!10/12/11 00:42:00 David Giles
                  Re:Re:Well done Dave!09/12/11 17:06:00 Roger Talbot
                     Re:Re:Re:Well done Dave!09/12/11 17:27:00 George Knox
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Well done Dave!09/12/11 17:51:00 John Connelly
                           George Lansbury. Leader of the Labour Party said09/12/11 19:17:00 David Giles
                  Re:Re:Well done Dave!12/12/11 11:24:00 Vanessa Smith
                     Re:Re:Re:Well done Dave!12/12/11 14:00:00 Adrian Irving
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Well done Dave!12/12/11 15:36:00 Roger Talbot
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Well done Dave!12/12/11 16:06:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Well done Dave!13/12/11 16:00:00 Vanessa Smith
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Well done Dave!13/12/11 16:04:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:Well done Dave!10/12/11 12:07:00 Maureen Barrymore
   Re:Well done Dave!09/12/11 18:28:00 Iain Muir
      Re:Re:Well done Dave!09/12/11 21:45:00 Richard Greenhough
         Re:Re:Re:Well done Dave!09/12/11 23:20:00 Guy Lambert
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Well done Dave!09/12/11 23:42:00 Julian Pavey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Well done Dave!09/12/11 23:59:00 David Roberts
                  There is no split on Europe10/12/11 00:14:00 David Giles
                     Re:There is no split on Europe10/12/11 10:59:00 Christian Schroeder
                        Re:Re:There is no split on Europe10/12/11 11:33:00 George Knox
                        Re:Re:There is no split on Europe10/12/11 12:27:00 Adrian Irving
                           The British people overwhelmingly support David Cameron11/12/11 09:02:00 David Giles
                              Re:The British people overwhelmingly support David Cameron11/12/11 12:28:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:The British people overwhelmingly support David Cameron12/12/11 16:15:00 David Giles
                           Re:Re:Re:There is no split on Europe12/12/11 16:04:00 Vanessa Smith
   Re:Well done Dave!11/12/11 14:35:00 Kathleen Healy
      "Fog in the Channel - continent cut off!"11/12/11 16:13:00 Birna Helgadottir
         Re:"Fog in the Channel - continent cut off!"11/12/11 22:56:00 David Giles
      Re:Re:Well done Dave!11/12/11 22:51:00 David Giles
         Re:Re:Re:Well done Dave!11/12/11 23:08:00 Iain Muir
   Re:Well done Dave!11/12/11 16:15:00 Chris Dakers
      Re:Re:Well done Dave!11/12/11 18:07:00 Guy Lambert
         Re:Re:Re:Well done Dave!11/12/11 19:45:00 Julian Pavey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Well done Dave!11/12/11 22:32:00 Iain Muir
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Well done Dave!11/12/11 23:05:00 David Giles
                  The Germans and the French12/12/11 09:03:00 David Giles
                     Re:The Germans and the French12/12/11 14:03:00 Colin Jordan
                        Why are there so many French people living here ?12/12/11 16:06:00 David Giles
                           Re:Why are there so many French people living here ?12/12/11 18:24:00 Phil Andrews
                              Re:Re:Why are there so many French people living here ?13/12/11 09:00:00 David Giles
                                 Re:Re:Re:Why are there so many French people living here ?13/12/11 15:17:00 Phil Andrews
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are there so many French people living here ?14/12/11 12:44:00 David Giles
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are there so many French people living here ?14/12/11 16:46:00 Phil Andrews
                        Re:Re:History repeating itself12/12/11 20:20:00 Vanessa Smith
                           Re:Re:Re:History repeating itself12/12/11 20:22:00 Julian Pavey
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:History repeating itself12/12/11 21:17:00 Phil Andrews
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:History repeating itself12/12/11 22:14:00 David Giles
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:History repeating itself12/12/11 22:25:00 Phil Andrews
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:History repeating itself13/12/11 16:16:00 Stephen Thornton
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:History repeating itself13/12/11 21:12:00 Phil Andrews
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:History repeating itself13/12/11 21:54:00 Julian Pavey
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:History repeating itself13/12/11 22:28:00 C Wynne
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:History repeating itself14/12/11 13:24:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                                          This is not a case of History repeating itself14/12/11 14:15:00 David Giles
                                             Re:This is not a case of History repeating itself14/12/11 14:33:00 Will Watson
                                                Re:Re:This is not a case of History repeating itself14/12/11 14:59:00 Ann Williams
                                                   Till we have built Jerusalem, In England's green & pleasant Land14/12/11 16:48:00 George Knox
                                                   Re:Re:Re:This is not a case of History repeating itself14/12/11 17:47:00 David Giles
                        Re:Re:The Germans and the French14/12/11 19:38:00 David Giles
                           Re:Re:Re:The Germans and the French15/12/11 11:33:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:The Germans and the French15/12/11 13:58:00 David Giles

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