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Topic: Re:Floating Bus Stops
Posted by: Paul Green
Date/Time: 13/11/20 12:22:00

Tom, others seem to fall for your 'politeness', but I am afraid it masks dangerous messages and disinformation.

YOu say 'If we don’t see a fall in pollution from traffic on the High Road and a shift from motor vehicles to active transport, the scheme will have demonstrably failed'.

So lets be specific. You have previously claimed that 'we all' benefited from cleaner air as a result of the closure of Hammersmith bridge, and that we have also all benefited from the reduction in air pollution on the High rd, which you strangely have attributed purely to the closure of TGT.

So the issue, as I keep pointing out to a scientist who does know this but finds it easier to ignore, is around causality and the counterfactual. Pollution on the High Road has fallen for various reasons, fewer buses, more hybrids and electric, the pandemic, and related to that a big fall in pollution from the A4. There is also a large background pollution effect from other areas and indeed at times other countries, all of which has no doubt fallen due to the pandemic.

You have claimed that a monitor on DR shows less pollution there. If we accept this is true, then a small local road that saw modest traffic seeing a drop in that traffic causes less localised pollution. So logically, all the roads seeing more displaced traffic are seeing more localised pollution, bad for the health of residents, pedestrians and others.

So what do we make of that. The new measures will roughly halve the capacity of the High Rd, which even with the impact of more stationary traffic must in the immediate vicinity may well mean less pollution. Heathrow is empty so A4 pollution is also down hugely. So the first question is, with less queues, could the High Rd have seen pollution fall more.

The second biger question is, all the other routes that see more traffic and queues, where there is no monitoring at all, why is the pollution not considered there? Because by the same irrefutable logic it has gone up due to these measures. But it seems if you dont measure it then it does not exist.

Finally, how are we measuring a modal shift. We are seeing many choose to avoid the High Road. Many already walked there or took the bus. And most crucial of all, when are these results to be taken. In the midst of a pandemic when the traffic is gone. Or a wet winter evening with Brentford and Chelsea at home and most of Chiswick reduced to gridlock? Sadly I think I know the answer.


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Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes09/11/20 12:53:00 David Riley
   Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes10/11/20 12:49:00 Michael Dempsey
      Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes10/11/20 13:00:00 David Lesniak
      Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes10/11/20 13:05:00 Vanessa Smith
         Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes10/11/20 14:57:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes10/11/20 15:23:00 Michael Dempsey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes10/11/20 15:36:00 Claire Moran
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes10/11/20 15:39:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes10/11/20 15:43:00 Andrew Jones
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes10/11/20 16:49:00 Francis Rowe
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes10/11/20 17:24:00 David Millar
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes10/11/20 23:53:00 Andrew Jones
   Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes11/11/20 18:34:00 chris poole
      Reply11/11/20 18:37:00 John Hall
   Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes11/11/20 18:36:00 chris poole
      Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 09:32:00 Francis Rowe
         Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 09:46:00 Michael Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 10:52:00 Francis Rowe
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 11:01:00 Kieran Fox
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 11:02:00 Kieran Fox
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 13:16:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 17:50:00 Kieran Fox
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes13/11/20 10:57:00 David Lesniak
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 12:06:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 12:16:00 Jayne Thorburn
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 12:48:00 Paul Green
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 13:22:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 15:00:00 Paul Green
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 15:27:00 Alex Shpinkov
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 18:15:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 19:51:00 Paul Green
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 21:36:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 22:03:00 Paul Green
                                          Reply12/11/20 22:25:00 Tom Pike
                                             Re:Reply13/11/20 11:05:00 David Lesniak
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes13/11/20 11:01:00 David Lesniak
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Emergency Services told Hounslow Council not to Proceed with Road Schemes12/11/20 12:46:00 David Lesniak
               Floating Bus Stops12/11/20 18:26:00 Andrew Jones
                  Re:Floating Bus Stops12/11/20 21:18:00 Claire Moran
                     Re:Re:Floating Bus Stops12/11/20 22:50:00 Andrew Jones
                  Re:Floating Bus Stops12/11/20 22:04:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Floating Bus Stops12/11/20 22:18:00 Paul Green
                        Re:Re:Re:Floating Bus Stops12/11/20 22:55:00 Andrew Jones
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Floating Bus Stops12/11/20 23:15:00 Mark Perry
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Floating Bus Stops12/11/20 23:22:00 Richard Jennings
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Floating Bus Stops12/11/20 23:31:00 Andrew Jones
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Floating Bus Stops13/11/20 00:16:00 Vivienne Cox
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Floating Bus Stops13/11/20 01:16:00 Andrew Jones
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Floating Bus Stops13/11/20 07:27:00 Mark Perry
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Floating Bus Stops13/11/20 07:41:00 Andrew Jones
                                             Re:Floating Bus Stops13/11/20 07:58:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                Re:Re:Floating Bus Stops13/11/20 08:10:00 Paul Green
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Floating Bus Stops13/11/20 09:48:00 J Morse
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Floating Bus Stops13/11/20 08:05:00 Tom Pike
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Floating Bus Stops13/11/20 08:14:00 Paul Green
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Floating Bus Stops13/11/20 09:29:00 Tom Pike
                                                      Floating Bus Stops13/11/20 11:41:00 Bernard Allen
                                                         Re:Floating Bus Stops13/11/20 12:22:00 Paul Green
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Floating Bus Stops13/11/20 11:18:00 David Lesniak
                     Re:Re:Floating Bus Stops13/11/20 11:08:00 David Lesniak

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