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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining
Posted by: Mark Talbot
Date/Time: 17/01/17 16:32:00

Hi Paul, okay so still only £12.25psf so say £2,500pa for 200 sq ft of pavement seating for which the same seating inside the front of a High Road place would cost £24,000pa.  It's a bargain and no way only used for a third of the days in a year nor mainly at lunchtime nor just a coffee - a cursory glance at High Road House, Bills, Pizza Express etc and you see many people eating outside in all kinds of weather.  The LA undersell this space comparative to the additional t/o outside seating drives - why is the profit margin on this space incidental anyway?  The LA should drive as much revenue as they can from this valuable space and it's up to the operators to take it or not, it isn't a god given right to have external seating on LA owned pavements. I wouldn't feel sorry for market stalls, they only have to pay the licence fees, no "market" rent or rates or building insurance and again the LA undersells those as well - you don't see a poor market stall holder in Chiswick!  As I said originally the side roads like Devonshire Rd / Elliot Rd are a different matter IMO. There's simply no getting away from the fact that pavement seating is incredibly cheap space representing a much smaller cost in terms of % of turnover generated than seating in an occupier's rented demise.  I'm not saying for a moment pavement seating should be at levels approaching inside but the increases being tabled by the LA are tiny, could and should be more (a lot more on the High Road) and the front page article is very misleading in the sensationalistic way it's written. 


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Pavement Dining16/01/17 20:16:00 Carl Wynne
   Re:Pavement Dining16/01/17 20:23:00 Georgina Flint
   Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 05:30:00 John Martin
   Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 08:12:00 Francis Rowe
      Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 10:44:00 Nick Jenkins
         Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 11:18:00 Paul Corcoran
         Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 11:46:00 Vanessa Smith
         Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 15:36:00 David Lesniak
   Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 13:17:00 Mark Talbot
      Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 13:30:00 Loraine Pemberton
         Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 15:37:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 15:49:00 Loraine Pemberton
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 15:49:00 bobby osborne
      Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 14:50:00 Paul Corcoran
         Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 16:32:00 Mark Talbot
      Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 15:41:00 David Lesniak
         Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 18:28:00 Carl Wynne
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 18:35:00 Georgina Flint
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 09:57:00 Anita Blake
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 12:23:00 Mark Talbot
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 12:39:00 David Lesniak
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 13:06:00 Mark Talbot
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 13:15:00 Carl Wynne
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 15:24:00 Paul Corcoran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 17:33:00 Mark Talbot
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 17:37:00 Mark Talbot
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 18:34:00 Carl Wynne
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 18:41:00 Mark Talbot
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 18:50:00 Carl Wynne
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 19:29:00 Brian Boothby
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining19/01/17 07:11:00 Anita Blake
                                             LBH  increase in fees19/01/17 08:12:00 John Todd
                                                Re:LBH  increase in fees19/01/17 09:49:00 John Southey
                                                   Re:Re:LBH  increase in fees19/01/17 11:50:00 bobby osborne
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining19/01/17 11:54:00 David Lesniak
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining19/01/17 12:43:00 Alan Clark
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining19/01/17 17:42:00 Paul Corcoran
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining20/01/17 14:36:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining23/01/17 07:24:00 David Lesniak
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining23/01/17 09:43:00 Paul Corcoran
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining24/01/17 12:57:00 Andrew OSullivan

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