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Topic: Re:Re:Pavement Dining
Posted by: Paul Corcoran
Date/Time: 17/01/17 14:50:00

Mark, the actual cost is actually £132 per square metre per annum and it is wrong to compare the cost of space inside the premises to that outside. The pavement tables will be usable for only about a third of the days throughout the year and mainly only at lunch time. Also bear in mind that relatively few meals will be served outside with most customers just having a coffee so the yield on them is much lower.

How much profit margin they make is incidental anyway. The increase in fees are only going to cost businesses a few hundred pounds per annum which in isolation is not a big deal. The problem with this change is primarily the timing coming as it does with food costs suddenly rising around 15-20% and the rates revaluations about to hit. These businesses are under huge pressure and while some may decide it isn't worth putting tables outside it is more likely that others will close altogether.

New restaurants may come in to replace them but a lot of these will be chains that are looking to show scale in an attempt to raise investment funds so don't need to trade profitably.

Also remember these fees also apply to market stalls (I think) who operate on much thinner margins than restaurants and for whom the increase will make a meaningful dent in profits.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Pavement Dining16/01/17 20:16:00 Carl Wynne
   Re:Pavement Dining16/01/17 20:23:00 Georgina Flint
   Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 05:30:00 John Martin
   Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 08:12:00 Francis Rowe
      Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 10:44:00 Nick Jenkins
         Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 11:18:00 Paul Corcoran
         Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 11:46:00 Vanessa Smith
         Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 15:36:00 David Lesniak
   Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 13:17:00 Mark Talbot
      Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 13:30:00 Loraine Pemberton
         Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 15:37:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 15:49:00 Loraine Pemberton
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 15:49:00 bobby osborne
      Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 14:50:00 Paul Corcoran
         Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 16:32:00 Mark Talbot
      Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 15:41:00 David Lesniak
         Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 18:28:00 Carl Wynne
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining17/01/17 18:35:00 Georgina Flint
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 09:57:00 Anita Blake
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 12:23:00 Mark Talbot
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 12:39:00 David Lesniak
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 13:06:00 Mark Talbot
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 13:15:00 Carl Wynne
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 15:24:00 Paul Corcoran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 17:33:00 Mark Talbot
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 17:37:00 Mark Talbot
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 18:34:00 Carl Wynne
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 18:41:00 Mark Talbot
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 18:50:00 Carl Wynne
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining18/01/17 19:29:00 Brian Boothby
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining19/01/17 07:11:00 Anita Blake
                                             LBH  increase in fees19/01/17 08:12:00 John Todd
                                                Re:LBH  increase in fees19/01/17 09:49:00 John Southey
                                                   Re:Re:LBH  increase in fees19/01/17 11:50:00 bobby osborne
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining19/01/17 11:54:00 David Lesniak
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining19/01/17 12:43:00 Alan Clark
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining19/01/17 17:42:00 Paul Corcoran
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining20/01/17 14:36:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining23/01/17 07:24:00 David Lesniak
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining23/01/17 09:43:00 Paul Corcoran
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pavement Dining24/01/17 12:57:00 Andrew OSullivan

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