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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?
Posted by: Andrew Cumming
Date/Time: 09/09/14 17:24:00

The financial aspect is not really why most Scots are interested in independence. That is just an indicator as to why, in time, they feel that independence could work for them. Here is an argument for independence that is going around on social media.

"I always find that if you flip the debate around with a no or undecided voter it always has the desired result. Try this next time you speak with a no voter, ask them how they would vote in this situation.....there can only be one outcome.

Imagine Scotland was already independent and we were about to have a referendum on whether to join a union with the rest of the UK. Could the Pro-union side convince us that getting together would be better when we were told what would happen to Scotland after such a union? Some bullet points from the campaign…

-Your main Parliament will move 600 miles away, and your MPs will be in a tiny minority & will therefore have limited ability to effect policy on your behalf -Scotland will get a government it didn’t vote for. -All of your oil and gas revenues will be handed over to the treasury in London. -Even though not 1 inch of track will touch Scottish soil your taxpayers will contribute £4.2bn to the HS2 project. -Your taxpayers will also subsidise the crossrail project to the tune of £4.2bn -The biggest nuclear weapons facility in Western Europe will be built on the river Clyde, just 30 miles from your largest city. -Even though you only have 8.2% of the UK’s population you will contribute 9.9% of the UK’s total tax take yet will only receive 9.3% of that tax take back to spend in Scotland (you will lose £4.4bn per year to the UK treasury) -You will devolve all of the economic levers you have used to shape your economy directly to London and will now only have control of 7% of your economy -Even though 79% of your MP's voted against it we will privitise your publicly owned mail service -Even though 91% of your MPs voted against the bedroom tax in your parliament, we will impose it. -Even though 82% of your MP's believed that a VAT increase would be detrimental to your economy, we will impose a VAT increase. -You will join a country whose health and education services are rapidly being privatised. -Now and again you’ll get dragged into an illegal foreign war. -An austerity budget will be imposed from London cutting jobs and threatening vital public services even though 81% of your MP's voted against the cuts. -The financial regulation system will be so weak and so lax that your whole economy will be brought to the brink of collapse. -The most weak and vulnerable in society, instead of getting the protection and support they deserve will be interrogated and humiliated in an effort to get them off the meagre levels of support to which they are entitled. Who in Scotland would vote for such a package? Who would vote for that union? So why would anyone vote to remain in such a union now?"


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Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 15:23:00 Penny Crocker
   Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 15:52:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
      Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 16:06:00 Penny Crocker
         Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 16:08:00 Penny Crocker
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 16:12:00 Andrew Cumming
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 16:22:00 Penny Crocker
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 16:23:00 Alastair Banton
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 16:32:00 Andrew Cumming
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 16:33:00 Andrew Cumming
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 16:40:00 David Darlow
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 17:12:00 Andrew Cumming
                     Scotland's share of public sector spending...09/09/14 17:51:00 Ed Yelland
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 16:36:00 Will Watson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 17:15:00 Vanessa Smith
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 16:17:00 Jonathan Bingham
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 17:17:00 Keith Iddon
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 17:24:00 Andrew Cumming
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 17:26:00 Kim Rugg
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 17:29:00 Andrew Cumming
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 17:31:00 Keith Iddon
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 17:35:00 Andrew Cumming
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 17:37:00 Keith Iddon
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 17:39:00 Andrew Cumming
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 17:51:00 Keith Iddon
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 17:51:00 Adrian Irving
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 17:53:00 Keith Iddon
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 17:40:00 Michael Daley
   Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 17:49:00 Ed Yelland
      Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 18:01:00 Andrew Cumming
         Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 18:03:00 Andrew Cumming
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 18:11:00 James Roy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 18:51:00 Keith Iddon
         Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 18:09:00 Keith Iddon
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 19:32:00 Andrew Cumming
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 19:39:00 Andrew Cumming
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 19:56:00 Andrew Cumming
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 19:43:00 Keith Iddon
         Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 20:14:00 Anne England
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 20:25:00 Andrew Cumming
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 20:31:00 Keith Iddon
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?10/09/14 10:09:00 Vanessa Smith
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?10/09/14 14:46:00 Phil Andrews
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 20:32:00 Peter Millman
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Why are all the main 3 parties plus the majority of the media against Scottish Independence?09/09/14 20:36:00 Anne England
                  Americans warn Scotland about ‘hope-change bullshit’10/09/14 12:58:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                     Re:Americans warn Scotland about ‘hope-change bullshit’10/09/14 13:05:00 Andrew Cumming
                        Re:Re:Americans warn Scotland about ‘hope-change bullshit’10/09/14 13:18:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Americans warn Scotland about ‘hope-change bullshit’10/09/14 13:24:00 Andrew Cumming
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Americans warn Scotland about ‘hope-change bullshit’10/09/14 14:38:00 Vanessa Smith
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Americans warn Scotland about ‘hope-change bullshit’10/09/14 20:08:00 Rob Reynolds
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Americans warn Scotland about ‘hope-change bullshit’10/09/14 20:11:00 Michael Brown
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Americans warn Scotland about ‘hope-change bullshit’10/09/14 23:07:00 Pete Mayes
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it10/09/14 23:28:00 Frank McNulty
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it10/09/14 23:38:00 Michael Brown
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it11/09/14 10:09:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it11/09/14 10:33:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it11/09/14 12:47:00 Will Watson
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it11/09/14 12:58:00 Keith Iddon
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it11/09/14 14:28:00 Anne England
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it11/09/14 15:17:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it11/09/14 15:33:00 Anne England
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it11/09/14 15:40:00 Brian Coyle
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it11/09/14 15:48:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it11/09/14 16:56:00 Andrew Cumming
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it11/09/14 17:02:00 Andrew Cumming
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 09:47:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 09:58:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 10:41:00 Andrew Cumming
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 10:52:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it11/09/14 16:56:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 10:24:00 Brian Coyle
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 10:44:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 10:53:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 10:57:00 Colin Jordan
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 11:02:00 Andrew Cumming
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 11:09:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 11:17:00 Andrew Cumming
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 11:22:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 11:26:00 Andrew Cumming
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 11:34:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 11:55:00 Andrew Cumming
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 11:36:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 11:41:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 12:10:00 Keith Iddon
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 12:23:00 Andrew Cumming
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 15:12:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                                             Andrew Neather: London as a city state? Only in our dreams 12/09/14 13:38:00 Andrew Cumming
                                                                                                Re:Andrew Neather: London as a city state? Only in our dreams 12/09/14 14:07:00 Alastair Banton
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 14:15:00 Alan Clark
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 14:21:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 14:23:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 15:53:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 16:22:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 16:33:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 16:54:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 17:16:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 16:51:00 Nick Mason
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 16:18:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 16:25:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 17:29:00 Andrew Cumming
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 17:44:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 18:06:00 Andrew Cumming
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 18:36:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 19:01:00 Andrew Cumming
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it13/09/14 09:21:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 17:45:00 Brian Coyle
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 19:26:00 Michael Brown
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it12/09/14 20:22:00 Joe Conneely
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown warns Scotland about it13/09/14 13:37:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                                                      Brown warns Scotland about it13/09/14 14:01:00 Guy Lambert
                                                                                                         Re:Brown warns Scotland about it13/09/14 15:34:00 Joe Conneely
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Brown warns Scotland about it13/09/14 15:37:00 Guy Lambert

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