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Topic: Re:Forget aspiration with Labour
Posted by: David Turner
Date/Time: 20/08/25 23:18:00

She has not created the £50billion deficit, that is a lie. (And I thought it was 40 not 50).  The £20bn gap you mention was well known even before the general election and was highlighted in the OBR reports as well as by other economic think tanks and economists. It was also widely reported In decent newspapers and on say LBC. Look it up. There is a further disputed £12 billion gap left behind by the previous government.
Yes, labour have spent a bit more e.g. on pay rises for teachers and nurses and doctors. But these were modest rises given years of pay stagnation and was urgently needed to address increasing shortages. Even now, more doctors are leaving the UK to go and work abroad  for better money.
Much of the black hole is due to Jeremy Hunt who cut 4% from employee NI which was unaffordable and at least in part uncosted. Again, this was well known before the general election. Look at the OBR report written before the general election if you want the details.
Labour willingly fell into the trap left by hunt and refused to reverse the NI cuts as part of their tax pledge.  Of course, if they had not promised no tax rises, they would have been eviscerated by the media.
Instead, labour have put up employer NI which obviously hits business and consequently employment. Not a good move.
Reeves attempts at balancing the books have been hampered by her own party who do not want to reduce welfare spending.
But there is a bigger picture: The UK, like most countries in the west, has insufficient numbers of people in work to support the growing numbers who have retired.
Baby boomers are all retiring. This means that pension payouts and the demands on the NHS have increased. These are two massive expenditures for the state. That’s why things like the winter fuel allowance and even the triple lock are simply unsustainable. It’s also why the state pension age is likely to rise again.
The UK has an additional problem that other Western countries don’t have: The long-term drag of Brexit. It may not be talked about very much anymore, but it’s still costing us about £5 billion a year.
The idea of a sellers tax has been doing the rounds for a long time and is intended as a replacement for stamp duty. Personally, I don’t think it is a good idea nor do I think it will happen.
Whatever party was in government, the question would remain: what does it do to raise taxes or reduce spending.  it’s one or the other. If it’s reducing spending then on what?
Personally, I think that most working people are paying enough income tax  and I would agreed that there are some disincentives to work within the tax system.
But some unearned income remains taxed at a low rate. Rishi Sunak was famously taxed at a 23% rate on his income of £2 million. This is a far lower rate of tax than many working people who are on a much lower income.  factor in council tax and the disparity is even greater.
One further point on tax that I stumbled across the other day; latest estimates are that HMRC failed to collect £46.8bn in tax last year bringing the total to £500bn since 2010. Neatly the amount they failed to collect in tax, much from corporations, is almost the same as the deficit.



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Forget aspiration with Labour20/08/25 16:03:00 Jayne Thorburn
   Re:Forget aspiration with Labour20/08/25 16:59:00 Julian Pavey
   Re:Forget aspiration with Labour20/08/25 20:25:00 Dave Mannisa
      Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour20/08/25 20:55:00 Julian Pavey
         Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour20/08/25 22:32:00 Dave Mannisa
   Re:Forget aspiration with Labour20/08/25 23:18:00 David Turner
      Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour21/08/25 00:53:00 Andrew Jones
         Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour21/08/25 09:47:00 Nicholas Beard
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour21/08/25 10:09:00 Jayne Thorburn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour21/08/25 10:52:00 James Roy
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour21/08/25 12:42:00 Dave Mannisa
      Re:Re: Reduced or nil taxation31/08/25 15:45:00 V Killick
   Re:Forget aspiration with Labour21/08/25 11:13:00 Susan Kelly
      Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour21/08/25 11:21:00 Jayne Thorburn
         Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour21/08/25 11:50:00 Jayne Thorburn
   Re:Forget aspiration with Labour21/08/25 13:51:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour21/08/25 14:08:00 Chris Blackwell
         Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour21/08/25 15:09:00 David Turner
         Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour21/08/25 15:09:00 Jayne Thorburn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour21/08/25 16:11:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour21/08/25 16:44:00 Janice Evans
                  Average wage21/08/25 17:18:00 Keith Iddon
                     Re:Average wage21/08/25 18:00:00 James Roy
                        Re:Re:Average wage21/08/25 18:21:00 Keith Iddon
                           Re:Re:Re:Average wage21/08/25 23:02:00 Jayne Thorburn
                           Re:Re:Re:Average wage21/08/25 23:41:00 Philippa Bond
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Average wage22/08/25 12:42:00 Janice Evans
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Average wage24/08/25 09:22:00 Steve Taylor
                                    Re:IMF24/08/25 18:34:00 Davy Jones
                                       Re:Re:IMF26/08/25 12:59:00 Jayne Thorburn
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                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:IMF26/08/25 22:32:00 Dave Mannisa
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                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:IMF27/08/25 16:16:00 Keith Iddon
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:IMF27/08/25 17:58:00 David Turner
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:IMF27/08/25 18:11:00 Keith Iddon
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                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:IMF27/08/25 20:48:00 Keith Iddon
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                                                                        Re:Re:RRe:Re:Re: Wait for Starmer’s u-turn! 28/08/25 10:17:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:RRe:Re:Re: Wait for Starmer’s u-turn! 28/08/25 14:20:00 Davy Jones
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:RRe:Re:Re: Wait for Starmer’s u-turn! 28/08/25 16:44:00 Dave Mannisa
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                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:IMF28/08/25 21:08:00 Dave Mannisa
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                                                                        Re:Don't be silly29/08/25 10:27:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                           Re:Re: Gintrough at it again29/08/25 10:38:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                              Re:Re:Re: Still being silly29/08/25 10:52:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                 Documentation29/08/25 11:11:00 Keith Iddon
                                                                                    Re:Documentation29/08/25 11:56:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                    Re:Documentation29/08/25 12:09:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                       Re:Re:Documentation29/08/25 12:39:00 Jayne Thorburn
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                                                                                       Re:Re:Documentation29/08/25 12:44:00 Keith Iddon
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                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Documentation29/08/25 12:51:00 Keith Iddon
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                                                                                                                  Re:"Some good things"01/09/25 11:05:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:"Some good things"01/09/25 12:39:00 Dave Mannisa
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:"Some good things"01/09/25 13:21:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:"Some good things"01/09/25 15:21:00 Dave Mannisa
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                                                                                                                                       Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?02/09/25 22:19:00 Davy Jones
                                                                                                                                          Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 11:14:00 Dave Mannisa
                                                                                                                                          Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 11:35:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                                                             Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 11:44:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 12:31:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 13:16:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 13:24:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 13:47:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 15:16:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 15:25:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 15:28:00 Adrian Irving
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                                                                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 15:50:00 Adrian Irving
                                                                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 15:34:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 15:51:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 16:35:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 17:14:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 18:04:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 18:46:00 Robert Fish
                                                                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 19:31:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 17:18:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 17:33:00 Keith Iddon
                                                                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 17:47:00 Robert Fish
                                                                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 18:04:00 Keith Iddon
                                                                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 18:44:00 Julian Pavey
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 19:20:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 20:18:00 Keith Iddon
                                                                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 20:31:00 Julian Pavey
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 21:11:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 21:35:00 Julian Pavey
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 22:00:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 22:23:00 Brian Coyle
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 22:46:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?03/09/25 23:02:00 Keith Iddon
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 10:48:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 11:04:00 David Burke
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 11:07:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 11:17:00 David Burke
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 11:33:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 12:18:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 11:52:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 11:50:00 Robert Fish
                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 12:01:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 12:50:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 13:35:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 13:52:00 Robert Fish
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 18:22:00 Keith Iddon
                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 13:05:00 Dave Mannisa
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 14:56:00 Denis I. Fox
                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 15:42:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 16:41:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 17:02:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 18:01:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 18:29:00 Keith Iddon
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 19:07:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 18:55:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?04/09/25 19:01:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Free Speech with Labour - forget it?05/09/25 00:20:00 Jayne Thorburn
   Re:Forget aspiration with Labour04/09/25 21:47:00 Dave Mannisa
      Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour05/09/25 09:57:00 Janice Evans
         Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour05/09/25 11:43:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour05/09/25 14:51:00 Jayne Thorburn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour05/09/25 15:58:00 Julian Pavey
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour05/09/25 16:33:00 Jayne Thorburn
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour05/09/25 17:06:00 Andrew Jones
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour05/09/25 17:59:00 Keith Iddon
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour06/09/25 17:44:00 Jayne Thorburn
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour07/09/25 14:09:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour11/09/25 13:10:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour11/09/25 14:02:00 Denis I. Fox
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour11/09/25 14:22:00 Janice Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour11/09/25 16:42:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour11/09/25 16:55:00 Nicholas Beard
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour11/09/25 17:05:00 Julian Pavey
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour11/09/25 17:18:00 Keith Iddon
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour11/09/25 17:52:00 Nicholas Beard
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Forget aspiration with Labour11/09/25 20:40:00 Jayne Thorburn
                                                      Re:Mandy Mandelson12/09/25 10:13:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                         Re:Re:Mandy Mandelson12/09/25 15:41:00 Denis I. Fox
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Mandy Mandelson12/09/25 16:44:00 Julian Pavey
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Mandy Mandelson12/09/25 18:59:00 Keith Iddon
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Mandy Mandelson12/09/25 20:43:00 Steve Taylor

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