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Topic: 'Ever closer union'
Posted by: Alastair Banton
Date/Time: 05/12/18 17:53:00

It's a worthwhile and positive aspiration.  I think it would be a good maxim for a successful marriage or for any team.  Think Gareth Southgate's England team.  I think Brexiters imagine that 'ever closer union' implies that in some way we Brits will lose our identity and be dominated by malevolent outside forces (Brussels), but I see that as paranoid nonsense.  A successful and close Union is one in which all members co-operate and respect one another's autonomy.  As a member of the E.U. the U.K. can play a positive role and help to bring about this desirable closeness.  If you believe that is not possible then I think that betrays a remarkable lack of belief in the U.K., a lack of self-confidence, even, I might add, a lack of patriotism.

And what is the alternative to 'ever closer union'? 'Ever increasing division' perhaps.  Is that what Brexiters want?  I think it is certainly what this country's enemies want - Putin etc.

People who really 'believe in Britain' know that we can play a powerful role in the E.U.  Outside it we (and Europe) would be sadly diminished. 


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Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.03/12/18 20:03:00 Dom Oldridge
   Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.03/12/18 20:11:00 Claire Moran
      Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.03/12/18 20:16:00 Dom Oldridge
         Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.03/12/18 20:18:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.03/12/18 22:43:00 Vivienne Cox
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 08:07:00 Alan Clark
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 08:39:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 08:56:00 Paul Fisher
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 11:13:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 11:20:00 Ken Munn
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 12:23:00 Paul Fisher
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 12:32:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
      Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 08:55:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
   Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 09:17:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 11:15:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
      Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 11:18:00 Alan Clark
         Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 11:48:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 12:00:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 12:19:00 Alan Clark
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 12:34:00 Richard Greenhough
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 15:18:00 Brian Coyle
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 15:24:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 17:08:00 Dom Oldridge
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 15:24:00 John Hickman
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 15:51:00 Alan Clark
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 16:05:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 16:11:00 Paul Scullion
                              Perhaps..04/12/18 16:23:00 Keith Iddon
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 16:40:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 16:50:00 Richard Greenhough
                                 Re:Re::Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 16:55:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 17:01:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                 Congratulations are in order04/12/18 17:06:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 16:38:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 17:14:00 Dom Oldridge
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 17:19:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 17:20:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 19:48:00 Alan Clark
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 17:28:00 Alan Clark
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 18:05:00 Richard Greenhough
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 18:31:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 19:31:00 Alan Clark
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.05/12/18 17:55:00 Alan Clark
                           Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.05/12/18 10:40:00 John Whitworth
                              Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.05/12/18 14:40:00 Brian Coyle
                                 'Ever closer union'05/12/18 17:53:00 Alastair Banton
                                    Re:'Ever closer union'06/12/18 10:22:00 T P Howell
                                       Re:Re:'Ever closer union'06/12/18 17:28:00 John Hickman
                                    Re:'Ever closer union'09/12/18 15:17:00 Vanessa Smith
                                       Re:Re:'Ever closer union'09/12/18 16:15:00 Adrian Irving
                                          Re:Re:Re:'Ever closer union'09/12/18 18:02:00 Steve Taylor
                                          Re:Re:Re:'Ever closer union'09/12/18 18:02:00 Steve Taylor
                                       Re:Re:'Ever closer union'09/12/18 16:57:00 Claire Moran
                                          Re:Re:Re:'Ever closer union'09/12/18 17:28:00 Adrian Irving
                                          Re:Re:Re:'Ever closer union'09/12/18 19:06:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
      Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.09/12/18 14:49:00 V Killick
         Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.09/12/18 16:37:00 Robert Fish
         Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.09/12/18 20:02:00 Steve Taylor

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