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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.
Posted by: Huw Burford-Taylor
Date/Time: 04/12/18 16:38:00

I do. It would be to our advantage. As one of the big three economies within the Eurozone we would be perfectly placed to take a leading role and shape the future of the continent, rather than bellyaching about it, pooling sovereignty rather than isolating ourselves in a world that owes us no favours at all.

Any trade deal, anything at all gives up a measure of control. If you want the UK to stop pooling sovereignty entirely, we'll have to scrap all 14,000 treaties we've signed since 1834 - 700 of which have arbitration mechanisms for determining disputes over interpretation like the ECJ.

Negotiations tend towards being dry affairs that reward an obsession with detail, one reason amongst many that Farage, Davis, Johnson, Raab et al ran for the hills is that they all seem to have an aversion to hard work and struggle mightily with detail. The tabloid press seem to have got their ideas about deal-making from reruns of "Dallas" banging your fist on the table and "being strong" is all you need to worry about, apparently. Having negotiated commercial contracts for a living over the last 25 years I think I can safely say that I know what I am talking about, well, better than the average journalist or MP anyway and listening to that lot makes me cringe.

As a major state within Europe we would have absolutely nothing to fear from closer integration, however I completely accept that my position is in a tiny minority. We had the best of all worlds really, in, with a range of opt outs, the EU owed us no further concessions, no member state had a better deal, a shame that malcontents had to take a wrecking ball to it, let us hope parliament is capable of pulling us back from the brink.


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Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.03/12/18 20:03:00 Dom Oldridge
   Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.03/12/18 20:11:00 Claire Moran
      Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.03/12/18 20:16:00 Dom Oldridge
         Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.03/12/18 20:18:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.03/12/18 22:43:00 Vivienne Cox
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 08:07:00 Alan Clark
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 08:39:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 08:56:00 Paul Fisher
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 11:13:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 11:20:00 Ken Munn
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 12:23:00 Paul Fisher
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 12:32:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
      Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 2nd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 08:55:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
   Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 09:17:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 11:15:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
      Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 11:18:00 Alan Clark
         Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 11:48:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 12:00:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 12:19:00 Alan Clark
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 12:34:00 Richard Greenhough
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 15:18:00 Brian Coyle
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 15:24:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 17:08:00 Dom Oldridge
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 15:24:00 John Hickman
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 15:51:00 Alan Clark
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 16:05:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 16:11:00 Paul Scullion
                              Perhaps..04/12/18 16:23:00 Keith Iddon
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 16:40:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 16:50:00 Richard Greenhough
                                 Re:Re::Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 16:55:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 17:01:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                 Congratulations are in order04/12/18 17:06:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 16:38:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 17:14:00 Dom Oldridge
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 17:19:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 17:20:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 19:48:00 Alan Clark
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 17:28:00 Alan Clark
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 18:05:00 Richard Greenhough
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 18:31:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.04/12/18 19:31:00 Alan Clark
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.05/12/18 17:55:00 Alan Clark
                           Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.05/12/18 10:40:00 John Whitworth
                              Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.05/12/18 14:40:00 Brian Coyle
                                 'Ever closer union'05/12/18 17:53:00 Alastair Banton
                                    Re:'Ever closer union'06/12/18 10:22:00 T P Howell
                                       Re:Re:'Ever closer union'06/12/18 17:28:00 John Hickman
                                    Re:'Ever closer union'09/12/18 15:17:00 Vanessa Smith
                                       Re:Re:'Ever closer union'09/12/18 16:15:00 Adrian Irving
                                          Re:Re:Re:'Ever closer union'09/12/18 18:02:00 Steve Taylor
                                          Re:Re:Re:'Ever closer union'09/12/18 18:02:00 Steve Taylor
                                       Re:Re:'Ever closer union'09/12/18 16:57:00 Claire Moran
                                          Re:Re:Re:'Ever closer union'09/12/18 17:28:00 Adrian Irving
                                          Re:Re:Re:'Ever closer union'09/12/18 19:06:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
      Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.09/12/18 14:49:00 V Killick
         Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.09/12/18 16:37:00 Robert Fish
         Re:Re:Re:Parliamentary petition for 3rd Ref for Brexit.09/12/18 20:02:00 Steve Taylor

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