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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Democratic process?
Posted by: Richard Cathcart
Date/Time: 20/04/18 14:45:00

Re Vanessa Smith:

RC:"One of the reasons people live in such accommodation is because they value privacy."
VS: "Maybe - maybe not - it could also be a case of not wanting to part of the local community and thinking you're a cut above the rest?"
RC: So what if people think they're "a cut above"? It isn't very attractive, but that is their right - unlike this canvasser's self-designated "right" to lie and deceive in order to inveigle her way to your door.

VS: "Even if political bumpf was sent in the post, it is hardly the same thing as seeing your potential councillors face to face is it?"
RC: Candidates conduct public meetings and hustings etc - anyone who is really keen to see them face-to-face need only make a point of attending (assuming they're that interested).

VS: "Also political parties are only allowed so much freepost and things have to be accounted for in their election expenses."
RC: Yes, and for very good reasons. In any case, just because there are restrictions imposed on other forms of electioneering doesn't mean you are somehow entitled to subvert this one.
I mean, if every other candidate/party embraced the same lying tactics, people would be receiving this unwanted attention half a dozen times or more each election.
Well, it would only be fair, wouldn't it?

VS: "As I said we really do need to embrace the political process and stop moaning and groaning - if you stand aloof from that then you haven't really got any reason to complain."
RC: How do you know whether such people aren't already "embracing the political process"? How do you know they're "standing aloof", or "moaning and groaning" about it?
It is perfectly possible to inform yourself and then vote without having some devious toad turning up unwanted on your doorstep.
In any case, if he/she will lie to gain entry, how are we to know that they're not still lying when they tell you all they're going to do in return for your vote?

VS: "It's not about what they are all promising, it is also about holding the current people representing us to account for their performance over the last four years, you can hardly do that by leaflets alone."
RC: As I've tried to point out, it's not about one particular form of disseminating/receiving information - there are several alternatives, including (ahem) the internet.
And as for holding them to account, the way of doing that is via your vote.
In particular, by giving your vote to someone you feel will be honest and trustworthy.

On which point, if the OP reads this, can he not furnish us with the name of this candidate, so we may judge for ourselves?

After all, she lied to you and potentially embarrassed you - what more do you owe her?


Entire Thread
TopicDate PostedPosted By
Lying to gain entry to a block of flats17/04/18 21:30:00 Timothy Lui
   Re:Lying to gain entry to a block of flats17/04/18 22:15:00 Adam Beamish
   Re:Lying to gain entry to a block of flats17/04/18 22:15:00 Adam Beamish
      Re:Re:Lying to gain entry to a block of flats22/04/18 18:51:00 keith richards
   Re:Lying to gain entry to a block of flats18/04/18 11:06:00 Richard Greenhough
      Democratic process18/04/18 12:21:00 Peter Evans
         Re:Democratic process18/04/18 12:40:00 Philippa Bond
         Re:Democratic process?18/04/18 16:19:00 Richard Cathcart
            Re:Re:Democratic process?19/04/18 19:17:00 Philippa Bond
               Re:Re:Re:Democratic process?19/04/18 19:27:00 Claire Moran
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Democratic process?20/04/18 08:57:00 Christopher Hugh Dakers
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Democratic process?20/04/18 09:27:00 Guy Lambert
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Democratic process?20/04/18 11:22:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Democratic process?20/04/18 12:44:00 Vanessa Smith
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Democratic process?20/04/18 13:08:00 Richard Cathcart
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Democratic process?20/04/18 13:20:00 Vanessa Smith
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Democratic process?20/04/18 14:44:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Democratic process?20/04/18 14:45:00 Richard Cathcart
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Democratic process?20/04/18 15:43:00 Vanessa Smith
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Democratic process?20/04/18 16:31:00 Adam Beamish
   Re:Lying to gain entry to a block of flats20/04/18 16:48:00 Charlotte Kasner
      The challenges of campaigning20/04/18 16:58:00 Andy Murray
      Re:Re:Lying to gain entry to a block of flats20/04/18 18:42:00 Vanessa Smith
         Gaining entry to a block of flats20/04/18 19:25:00 Peter Evans
         Re:Re:Re:Lying to gain entry to a block of flats20/04/18 19:26:00 Richard Greenhough
         Re:Re:Re:Lying to gain entry to a block of flats21/04/18 18:22:00 Carl Wynne
   A Formal Complaint21/04/18 01:11:00 Christopher Gillie
      Re:A Formal Complaint21/04/18 18:18:00 David McLoughlin
      Re:A Formal Complaint21/04/18 18:50:00 John Stroud
         Re:Re:A Formal Complaint21/04/18 19:37:00 Christopher Gillie
            Re:Re:Re:A Formal Complaint21/04/18 19:59:00 Peter Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Re:A Formal Complaint21/04/18 20:09:00 Christopher Gillie
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Formal Complaint21/04/18 22:38:00 John Stroud
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Formal Complaint21/04/18 23:17:00 Christopher Gillie
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Formal Complaint22/04/18 13:18:00 John Stroud
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Formal Complaint22/04/18 13:37:00 Christopher Gillie
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Formal Complaint22/04/18 13:43:00 Vanessa Smith
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Formal Complaint22/04/18 19:45:00 Philippa Bond
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Formal Complaint23/04/18 22:14:00 David McLoughlin
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:A Formal Complaint25/04/18 17:01:00 Sian Davies

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