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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory
Posted by: Phil Andrews
Date/Time: 21/07/15 22:25:00

In my view the Tories won a majority - just - because they fought a more intelligent campaign than Labour.  They set the agenda and Labour followed it, badly.  Ed Miliband tried to straddle two horses at once, and they ran off in opposite directions.  Under the spotlight he looked like a rabbit caught in the glare of the headlights and in trying too hard to be everything to everyone he ended up being very little to very few.

I do not buy the notion that Miliband and Labour were rejected because they were "too left wing".  The SNP attacked Labour from the left and all but cleaned up north of the border.  Yes Scotland is different in some respects and there were particular wounds which remained open from the referendum, but it is worth reminding ourselves that the SNP landslide followed a campaign which centred on an anti-austerity, anti-capitalist message rather than on independence.  If anything Scottish voters dragged the SNP further to the left than it had been at the beginning.

The surprise and bewilderment that has been expressed over the way in which people have taken to Jeremy Corbyn - outside of the Labour Party as well as within - is the reaction of a self-interested establishment and media which has learned to believe its own propaganda. The "loony left" tag which it has in the past managed to attach to such essentially egocentric characters as Arthur Scargill, Ken Livingstone and George Galloway does not hang easily upon a modest man like Corbyn, who speaks with humility and courtesy, and without rancour.  When people are allowed to hear his case, clear and reasoned, it begins to make some sense.

Some of those who have defended Rupa Huq's actions on this thread are themselves self-declared Conservatives.  I point this out not because I think it disqualifies them from having or expressing an opinion, but to demonstrate an obvious truism - that the Labour leadership is in danger of trying too hard to impress the wrong people. 

The notion that the British people are inspired by a politics which demonises the poor and wishes to see the rug pulled away from under the feet of the homeless, the disabled and those in need of a helping hand is at best untested.  Inasfar as such sentiment does exist it is largely the product of a right-wing press using all the power at its disposal to shepherd public opinion behind its own interests and agenda. 

If the "opposition" feels it can only win by playing the same tune and pandering to the same constituency then it is reasonable to ask what point there is to its very existence.


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Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 09:22:00 David Grantley
   Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 09:53:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 10:10:00 David Grantley
         Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 10:21:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 10:28:00 Claire Moran
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 10:31:00 Will Watson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 10:35:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 10:55:00 Colin Jordan
         Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 10:54:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 11:22:00 David Grantley
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 11:33:00 Richard Greenhough
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 11:47:00 Will Watson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 11:44:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 12:11:00 Colin Jordan
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 14:38:00 David Grantley
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 14:56:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 15:05:00 Jonathan Bingham
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 22:25:00 Phil Andrews
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory22/07/15 09:35:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory22/07/15 11:54:00 Phil Andrews
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory22/07/15 12:24:00 Richard Greenhough
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory22/07/15 12:31:00 Phil Andrews
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory22/07/15 12:46:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory22/07/15 13:05:00 Phil Andrews
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory22/07/15 13:10:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory22/07/15 13:16:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory22/07/15 12:27:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory22/07/15 12:38:00 Phil Andrews
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory22/07/15 12:48:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory22/07/15 13:09:00 Phil Andrews
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory22/07/15 13:18:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory22/07/15 13:48:00 Phil Andrews
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory22/07/15 14:04:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory22/07/15 14:34:00 Phil Andrews
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 15:04:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
   Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 15:04:00 Barbara Robinson
      Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory21/07/15 15:09:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
         Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory story... or just a compassionate realist?21/07/15 16:43:00 Alex Thomas
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory story... or just a compassionate realist?22/07/15 05:44:00 Joe Conneely
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory story... or just a compassionate realist?22/07/15 07:37:00 Colin Jordan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory story... or just a compassionate realist?22/07/15 09:03:00 Joe Conneely
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory story... or just a compassionate realist?22/07/15 08:06:00 Alex Thomas
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory story... or just a compassionate realist?22/07/15 10:43:00 Claire Moran
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory story... or just a compassionate realist?22/07/15 11:07:00 Colin Jordan
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory story... or just a compassionate realist?22/07/15 21:47:00 Alex Thomas
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory story... or just a compassionate realist?23/07/15 05:12:00 Joe Conneely
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory story... or just a compassionate realist?23/07/15 10:28:00 Alex Thomas
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rupa Huq - the tory story... or just a compassionate realist?23/07/15 05:08:00 Joe Conneely

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