Forum Message

Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon
Posted by: Mark Evans
Date/Time: 26/02/20 08:47:00

Michael, please try not to get so upset when people disagree with you.

You are misunderstanding the arguments that are being put to you. Nobody is saying traffic evaporation doesn't happen. Obviously if congestion gets worse people will consider alternative forms of transport, businesses will fail and people will move home to be closer to work so some traffic evaporates.

The logical fallacy is believing that you can reduce traffic by creating traffic. I think where you are going wrong is by focusing on the number of vehicle journeys in isolation as a target. The statistics I quoted earlier were for journey miles by vehicle for London from the Department for Transport. These show that from 2008-2018 vehicle journey miles have fluctuated within quite a narrow range.

During the same period average traffic speeds have fallen significantly - see the studies published by organisations like INRIX for confirmation. Consequently congestion in London has risen.

What we should be aiming for with our transport policy is fewer vehicles on the road but if the distance travelled by vehicles over the last decade has remained the same and the time it has taken for them to cover that distance has risen then the number of vehicles on the road at an given time has also risen.

Even if traffic evaporation succeeds in reducing the number of vehicles and the distance they travel this is meaningless if the reduction is less than the increase in average journey time.


Entire Thread
TopicDate PostedPosted By
Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 10:28:00 Edward Seaton
   Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 10:35:00 Felicity Caborn
      Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 11:09:00 Edward Seaton
         Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 11:30:00 Felicity Caborn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 11:45:00 Edward Seaton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 12:33:00 Loraine Pemberton
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 12:48:00 Edward Seaton
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 13:13:00 Will Watson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 23:02:00 John Stroud
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 13:14:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 13:50:00 Matthew Swain
   Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 12:48:00 Steve Taylor
      Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 12:58:00 Edward Seaton
         Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 15:23:00 Mark Evans
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 16:24:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 18:42:00 Mark Evans
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 22:28:00 Michael Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 19:51:00 Tony Smart
         Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 16:45:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 18:59:00 Janice Evans
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 19:01:00 Edward Seaton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 23:36:00 Guy Lambert
                  Reply25/02/20 07:39:00 Andrew OSullivan
                     Re:Reply25/02/20 08:43:00 James Petri
                     Re:Reply25/02/20 09:01:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Reply25/02/20 10:40:00 Guy Lambert
                     Re:Reply26/02/20 09:05:00 Alex Brown
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon25/02/20 07:12:00 David Lesniak
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon25/02/20 08:45:00 James Petri
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon26/02/20 08:47:00 Mark Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon26/02/20 12:04:00 Steve Taylor
                           Cars Chiswick and Carbon28/02/20 14:31:00 Edward Seaton
                              Re:Cars Chiswick and Carbon28/02/20 16:50:00 Philippa Bond
                                 Re:Re:Cars Chiswick and Carbon28/02/20 17:31:00 Francis Rowe
                                    Re:Re:Re:Cars Chiswick and Carbon29/02/20 21:59:00 James Petri
                              Re:Cars Chiswick and Carbon01/03/20 11:49:00 Sue Rowe

Forum Home