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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon
Posted by: Michael Robinson
Date/Time: 24/02/20 22:28:00

You may think it is a “logical fallacy” but I’ve given a reference to dozens of examples where traffic evaporation has happened so there must be a flaw in your logic.

Of course some people will give up driving if journeys become more inconvenient. People aren’t brainless automata that do the same thing all the time if it no longer makes sense.  Traffic is just the sum of thousands of human decisions and people can decide to do things differently.

Clearly other things will affect driving as well. No point driving if there is nowhere to park and parking space has been reduced in London. Market forces - Developers can make more per square foot from other uses than they can from parking and no need to provide much parking if there are alternatives.

What is the source of your claim that journey miles have remained static?

The latest TfL Transport in London report shows a steady decline in car traffic levels. It has flattened over the last 2 years, perhaps because of the large number of Ubers driving around and around.

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/travel-in-london-report-12.pdf

You are misunderstanding the point about traffic evaporation. If road capacity is reduced, fewer people drive. That doesn’t mean that things get much better for the people still driving, it just means there are fewer of them.

If you want to really free up space on the road, that will need some form of road pricing. I think that will be inevitable within the next 10 years.

Also you seem to be thinking about road capacity in term of numbers of metal boxes rather than numbers of people. At the peak, the cycle lane on the Embankment  carries more people than the other 3 lanes put together.

Private cats with an average of about 1.1 people per car are a hugely inefficient use of road space, even more so when you factor in parking space.


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Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 10:28:00 Edward Seaton
   Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 10:35:00 Felicity Caborn
      Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 11:09:00 Edward Seaton
         Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 11:30:00 Felicity Caborn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 11:45:00 Edward Seaton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 12:33:00 Loraine Pemberton
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 12:48:00 Edward Seaton
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 13:13:00 Will Watson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 23:02:00 John Stroud
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 13:14:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 13:50:00 Matthew Swain
   Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 12:48:00 Steve Taylor
      Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 12:58:00 Edward Seaton
         Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 15:23:00 Mark Evans
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 16:24:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 18:42:00 Mark Evans
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 22:28:00 Michael Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 19:51:00 Tony Smart
         Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 16:45:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 18:59:00 Janice Evans
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 19:01:00 Edward Seaton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon24/02/20 23:36:00 Guy Lambert
                  Reply25/02/20 07:39:00 Andrew OSullivan
                     Re:Reply25/02/20 08:43:00 James Petri
                     Re:Reply25/02/20 09:01:00 Michael Robinson
                     Re:Reply25/02/20 10:40:00 Guy Lambert
                     Re:Reply26/02/20 09:05:00 Alex Brown
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon25/02/20 07:12:00 David Lesniak
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon25/02/20 08:45:00 James Petri
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon26/02/20 08:47:00 Mark Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cars, Cherry Trees, Chiswick and Carbon26/02/20 12:04:00 Steve Taylor
                           Cars Chiswick and Carbon28/02/20 14:31:00 Edward Seaton
                              Re:Cars Chiswick and Carbon28/02/20 16:50:00 Philippa Bond
                                 Re:Re:Cars Chiswick and Carbon28/02/20 17:31:00 Francis Rowe
                                    Re:Re:Re:Cars Chiswick and Carbon29/02/20 21:59:00 James Petri
                              Re:Cars Chiswick and Carbon01/03/20 11:49:00 Sue Rowe

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