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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It is not just Huhne who is a lying hypocrite
Posted by: Phil Andrews
Date/Time: 06/02/13 17:30:00

Of course political parties that enter into coalition with one another remain rivals.  I even understand the reasons why the Conservatives regarded us in the ICG as political rivals when we were in coalition on Hounslow Council, because that is how they are conditioned to think.  I was always able to live with this.

However any agreement between people or groups of people still requires a certain amount of integrity.

No agreement - whether we are talking about a marriage, a business deal or whatever - can survive if one party cannot be trusted to conduct dealings with at least a certain degree of honour.  Without honour and trust no agreement is possible and a coalition agreement, presumably, is intended to benefit both or all those parties involved at the time it is entered into.  Otherwise there is little point in negotiating an agreement in the first place.

Let me give you an example of this trust thing.  When the then Deputy Leader of the LBH Labour Group told a meeting of Borough Council that it was okay to tell deliberate lies about opponents during election campaigns because it was "politics", she was in fact telling us that we cannot ever believe a word that emanates from her local party again.  She will protest otherwise, of course, but knowing that lying is considered acceptable in a political situation how can we ever be confident that we are told the truth, even when we are?

Or to put it another way, if somebody knowingly sells me a dodgy car then I will never buy a car or anything else from that person again, because knowing that person I can never have confidence that I am not being ripped off a second time.

To the vast majority of ordinary, everyday people this will all appear blindingly obvious.  Only politicians, uniquely, seem unable to grasp this sort of thing.




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Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 10:41:00 John Connelly
   Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 10:58:00 Susan Kelly
   Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 11:25:00 Thomas Barry
   Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 11:32:00 bobby osborne
      Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 11:55:00 Henry Thames
         Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 12:19:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 12:28:00 Vanessa Smith
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 12:32:00 bobby osborne
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 12:34:00 Claire Moran
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 12:42:00 Susan Kelly
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 12:45:00 Claire Moran
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 12:47:00 bobby osborne
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 12:50:00 Claire Moran
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 12:53:00 bobby osborne
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 13:02:00 Colin Jordan
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 13:08:00 Guy Lambert
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 13:52:00 Phil Andrews
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice07/02/13 20:53:00 Pete Mayes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice07/02/13 20:54:00 Pete Mayes
   Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 13:20:00 James Stott
      Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 13:34:00 Stuart Kerr
         Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 13:47:00 bobby osborne
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 13:57:00 Claire Moran
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 14:37:00 Susan Kelly
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 14:47:00 Brian Coyle
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 14:58:00 Susan Kelly
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 15:04:00 bobby osborne
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 16:25:00 Susan Kelly
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 17:25:00 Susan Kelly
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 17:27:00 Phil Andrews
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 17:49:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 18:04:00 bobby osborne
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 18:16:00 Claire Moran
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 21:34:00 Jill Merrett
                                                Re:Re:Two Dorises pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 11:18:00 bobby osborne
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Two Dorises pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 11:47:00 Claire Moran
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Two Dorises pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 15:38:00 bobby osborne
   Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 18:31:00 Stuart Kerr
      Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 20:31:00 Joe Conneely
         Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 21:04:00 Susan Kelly
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice04/02/13 23:20:00 Claire Moran
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 08:09:00 Colin Jordan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 08:17:00 Susan Kelly
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 08:24:00 David Giles
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 09:14:00 Susan Kelly
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 11:33:00 David McLoughlin
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 12:33:00 Susan Kelly
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 12:55:00 Joe Conneely
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 15:21:00 Phil Andrews
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 08:25:00 Colin Jordan
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 11:03:00 Vanessa Smith
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 11:09:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 11:20:00 Sarah Felstead
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 12:31:00 Joe Conneely
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 21:09:00 John Martin
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 21:12:00 Phil Andrews
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Huhne pleads guilty to perverting the course of justice05/02/13 21:37:00 C Wynne
                                          It is not just Huhne who is a lying hypocrite06/02/13 00:11:00 David Giles
                                             Re:It is not just Huhne who is a lying hypocrite06/02/13 00:22:00 Phil Andrews
                                                Re:Re:It is not just Huhne who is a lying hypocrite06/02/13 00:40:00 David Giles
                                                   Re:Re:Re:It is not just Huhne who is a lying hypocrite06/02/13 00:52:00 Phil Andrews
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:It is not just Huhne who is a lying hypocrite06/02/13 01:04:00 David Giles
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:It is not just Huhne who is a lying hypocrite06/02/13 01:05:00 David Giles
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It is not just Huhne who is a lying hypocrite06/02/13 01:14:00 Phil Andrews
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It is not just Huhne who is a lying hypocrite06/02/13 09:03:00 David Giles
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It is not just Huhne who is a lying hypocrite06/02/13 09:13:00 David McLoughlin
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It is not just Huhne who is a lying hypocrite06/02/13 17:30:00 Phil Andrews
                                             Re:It is not just Huhne who is a lying hypocrite06/02/13 09:24:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                Re:Re:It is not just Huhne who is a lying hypocrite06/02/13 10:17:00 Susan Kelly
                                                   Re:Re:Re:It is not just Huhne who is a lying hypocrite06/02/13 11:42:00 David McLoughlin
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:It is not just Huhne who is a lying hypocrite06/02/13 17:43:00 Phil Andrews
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It is not just Huhne who is a lying hypocrite06/02/13 17:51:00 Guy Lambert
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It is not just Huhne who is a lying hypocrite06/02/13 17:53:00 Phil Andrews
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