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Posted by: Michael Robinson
Date/Time: 01/04/25 15:53:00

"Is the time that would be considered as entering for access as opposed to driving through ever defined in these appeals?"

No. 

I assume that the time threshold has been set so the evidence that the driver did not stop is quite compelling for the adjudicator.

For example, if the cameras are 800m apart, and Hounslow set the time threshold based upon the speed limit of 20mph, then if the vehicle travels at an average speed of 20mph, it will take about 90 seconds to travel between the cameras.

If the driver claimed 'but I stopped for a minute', that would mean they travelled at an average speed of 60mph before and after stopping.  As this is an average, this means the driver would have exceeded 60mph if their claim is true.

So then the adjudicator might:
- have a good laugh at the driver's claim
- accept the evidence provided by the council infering that the driver did not stop to access a location beyond the restriction
- dismiss the driver's claim as not being believable

Of course, councils can't enforce speeding (currently) so this is evidence the driver did not stop, not evidence of speeding.  I don't know what the position is if the driver themselves say they have been speeding, in effect.

I stand corrected if the maths above is wrong.

Also, the evidence only works if the clocks on the cameras are synchronised.  This can be done using GPS or an internet connection.  There are clearly some issues with this way of enforcing the restriction otherwise Hounslow and other councils would be using it in more locations. Maybe there are technical issues, maybe operational. Don't know.




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SOTG/Kew Bridge camera12/03/25 21:07:00 Jim Brown
   Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera13/03/25 00:02:00 Peter Evans
      Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera13/03/25 09:47:00 Michael Robinson
         Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera13/03/25 11:45:00 Peter Evans
            Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera13/03/25 12:58:00 Michael Robinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera13/03/25 18:50:00 Peter Evans
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera13/03/25 19:19:00 Simon Hayes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera13/03/25 20:47:00 Peter Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera13/03/25 21:33:00 Peter Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera14/03/25 01:10:00 Michael Robinson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera14/03/25 07:48:00 Simon Hayes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera14/03/25 07:59:00 Michael Robinson
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera14/03/25 09:23:00 Colin Jordan
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera14/03/25 13:10:00 Simon Hayes
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera14/03/25 20:47:00 Guy Lambert
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera14/03/25 23:01:00 Simon Hayes
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera14/03/25 23:36:00 Guy Lambert
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera15/03/25 18:50:00 N V Brooks
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                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera16/03/25 09:57:00 Guy Lambert
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera16/03/25 15:43:00 N V Brooks
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 06:25:00 Guy Lambert
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 10:08:00 N V Brooks
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 11:30:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 15:44:00 Guy Lambert
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 16:03:00 David Burke
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 17:16:00 N V Brooks
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 18:55:00 David Burke
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 20:15:00 N V Brooks
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 21:18:00 David Burke
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera18/03/25 09:13:00 N V Brooks
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                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera18/03/25 10:56:00 N V Brooks
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 17:00:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 17:07:00 N V Brooks
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera14/03/25 23:01:00 Peter Evans
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera15/03/25 22:45:00 Andrew Jones
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera16/03/25 13:44:00 Bruce Hammal
                                                   Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera16/03/25 15:15:00 Jim Brown
                                                      Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera16/03/25 16:35:00 Bruce Hammal
                                                         Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 00:26:00 Peter Evans
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 06:58:00 Simon Hayes
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 08:48:00 Bruce Hammal
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 11:27:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 12:43:00 Bruce Hammal
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 13:02:00 Peter Evans
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SOTG/Kew Bridge camera17/03/25 13:41:00 Bruce Hammal
                                                                           Reply26/03/25 08:40:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                              Re:Reply26/03/25 12:44:00 Peter Evans
                                                                                 Re:Re:Reply26/03/25 13:59:00 Brian Green
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Reply27/03/25 17:04:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                                 Re:Re:Reply27/03/25 17:15:00 Andrew Jones
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Reply27/03/25 21:30:00 Peter Evans
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Reply27/03/25 21:32:00 Peter Evans
                                                                                       Reply01/04/25 14:56:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                                          Re:Reply01/04/25 15:53:00 Michael Robinson
                                                                                             Re:Re:Reply01/04/25 16:39:00 Peter Evans
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Reply01/04/25 18:44:00 Michael Robinson

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