| Topic: | Re:Re:Re:Re:Lib dems disaster | |
| Posted by: | Alan Clark | |
| Date/Time: | 17/09/19 12:07:00 |
| There are some claims on this thread that fall short of being rational or supportable. “today’s we will ignore Brexit” “how they propose to achieve it which is totally unprincipled” “utter contempt for democracy” “ignore the majority referendum vote on Brexit” How can setting out a manifesto commitment, that being the policies upon which they are asking people to vote for them, be either ignoring Brexit or a contempt for democracy? They are putting the Brexit issue square in the centre of their proposed policies (in terms of ‘this is clearly a bad idea, let’s stop it now’) and asking people to democratically vote for them if they support this policy. Both focusing on Brexit, not ignoring it, and allowing a vote – democratically. How is that unprincipled? What is the principle you are so keen to see upheld? Unprincipled is presenting a referendum decision as being (a) stay in the EU, or (b) leave with a great, simple to get deal … and then 3 years later claiming that this referendum result actually says the ‘will of the people’ want the UK to leave with no deal. Without people or parliament’s say. That is highly unprincipled. Setting out a manifesto policy and asking for people’s vote on this is the opposite. And that nicely explains why this manifesto policy is not ignoring the referendum. It is confirming that in the last 3 years we have all had a lot more clarified and confirmed. And what it primarily has confirmed is that referenda are not all they are cracked up to be, not unless you apply a whole bunch more clarify on the vote, the outcome of the vote and the winning percentage before things need to be acted on. It is clear to everyone (apart from people who are unprincipled, see above) that the 2016 referendum has caused more problems than benefits. |