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Topic: Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'
Posted by: Huw Burford-Taylor
Date/Time: 04/05/17 09:51:00

There is a theory doing the rounds on twitter at the moment (yes I know) and it goes something like this:

"Once upon a time Theresa was Home Secretary. One day she had to deal with a request from Jordan for Abu's deportation. She was not the first Home Secretary to have to deal with this request. But there was a problem. The was the prospect that the evidence to be used against Abu in Jordan had been obtained by torture. And if so, it was not lawfully open to the UK under ECHR to deport anybody if there was prospect of torture-gained evidence being used. So what did Theresa do?

She huffed and puffed at the courts, spending huge amounts of public money. Those in the media who rail against "fat cat lawyers" didn't mind the government instructing three QCs at public expense, in this case. But Theresa still lost that case. She lost every appeal, and the reason she lost was, well, because torture is absolutely wrong, and no one should be deported to face torture-based evidence.

Having lost in her attempt at shouting at the courts, Theresa tried a new tactic. She shouted at Europe. It was seriously suggested that the UK "temporarily" leave the ECHR. This idea did not get far, because it was laughed at by a Lord Chancellor called Kenneth. But Theresa had got the tabloids in a frenzy at this case - she had shouted at the courts and at Europe, but none of it had worked. And so Theresa quietly did a sensible deal with Jordan where they agreed never to use torture-based evidence.

You would say this was a Good Thing, as it meant there would be no torture-based evidence used in Jordan again. But Theresa did not want to talk about it. Instead she made out she had deported him "despite" ECHR rather than in compliance with it. So despite huffing and puffing and exciting the tabloids and threatening suspension and appealing, she did what the ECHR required anyway. Theresa ended up doing a sensible deal on Abu, contrary to the expectations and demands of the press, but then pretended she hadn't. In turn, Abu in Jordan was cleared, as the supposed serious (torture-based) evidence against him was no longer admissible. And Theresa got another job where she shouted at courts and at Europe, getting press into a frenzy, and then she...."

The above was taken from the @davidallengreen twitter feed, which an excellent balanced legal view of things Brexit and otherwise.

My interpretation is as follows: May loves to be seen to be "fighting" as not only does it gives the impression of being and "active battling politician" but it simultaneously deflects attention away from what she's done/said in the past & where this might lead us in the future. It doesn't matter, because she's "fighting" for us. I will state the obvious, it's one of the oldest tricks in the demagogues playbook: "look at me I'm fighting for US against those nasty people over there, back MEEE." And the idiotic tabloid press as sure as night follows day have fallen in behind her, so when this bloody farce collapses around our ears it'll all be the fault of the EU/unelected Brussels bureaucrats/those nasty foreigners/remoaners/anyone else apart from the sodding idiots who led us down this merry garden path in the first place.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'04/05/17 09:28:00 Ken Munn
   Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'04/05/17 09:36:00 Paul Fisher
   Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'04/05/17 09:51:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
      It's the crassness that infuriates me04/05/17 12:46:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
   Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'04/05/17 09:54:00 Paul Corcoran
      Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'04/05/17 09:58:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
         Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'04/05/17 10:23:00 Paul Green
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'04/05/17 10:30:00 Ken Munn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'04/05/17 10:41:00 T P Howell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'04/05/17 11:08:00 Keith Iddon
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'04/05/17 12:22:00 Robert Fish
                     I also think it is worth pointing out04/05/17 12:31:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'04/05/17 13:22:00 Ken Munn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'04/05/17 15:43:00 Tony Mansell
            :Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 14:57:00 Steve Taylor
               Re::Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 17:32:00 Richard Greenhough
                  Re:Re::Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'07/05/17 18:50:00 Steve Taylor
   Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'04/05/17 12:43:00 Tony Wood
      Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'04/05/17 17:15:00 Anne England
         Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'04/05/17 17:26:00 Tony Wood
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'04/05/17 21:38:00 Brian Coyle
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'04/05/17 23:24:00 Ben Gemmingen
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 10:14:00 Alan Clark
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 10:34:00 T P Howell
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 10:35:00 T P Howell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 10:42:00 Tony Mansell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 11:16:00 Davis Smithson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 11:44:00 Davis Smithson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 11:51:00 Brian Coyle
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 11:59:00 T P Howell
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 12:11:00 Davis Smithson
                                    Thought experiment...05/05/17 12:26:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                       Re:Thought experiment...05/05/17 14:06:00 Alan Clark
                                          Re:Re:Thought experiment...05/05/17 14:33:00 Davis Smithson
                                             Impact of immigration on native wages ‘infinitesimally small’05/05/17 14:40:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                Re:Impact of immigration on native wages ‘infinitesimally small’05/05/17 15:01:00 Davis Smithson
                                                   "Stop it with your informed research and reasoned05/05/17 15:11:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                      Re:"Stop it with your informed research and reasoned05/05/17 15:22:00 Paul Green
                                                         Re:Re:"Stop it with your informed research and reasoned05/05/17 15:27:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                   Re:Re:Impact of immigration on native wages ‘infinitesimally small’05/05/17 15:16:00 Andy Pease
                                             Davis..05/05/17 16:42:00 Keith Iddon
                                                Re:Davis..05/05/17 16:55:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                   Re:Re:Davis..05/05/17 17:05:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Davis..05/05/17 17:09:00 Keith Iddon
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Davis..05/05/17 17:17:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Davis..05/05/17 17:29:00 Keith Iddon
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Davis..05/05/17 17:45:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                 Re:Invoking Godwin's Law.....05/05/17 18:32:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:Invoking Godwin's Law.....05/05/17 18:37:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Re:Invoking Godwin's Law.....05/05/17 18:49:00 Keith Iddon
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Invoking Godwin's Law.....06/05/17 10:53:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 16:52:00 Tony Mansell
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 16:56:00 Keith Iddon
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 17:25:00 Davis Smithson
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 17:42:00 Keith Iddon
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 17:59:00 Davis Smithson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 18:53:00 Paul Green
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 18:59:00 Keith Iddon
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'05/05/17 19:45:00 Davis Smithson
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'07/05/17 21:07:00 Steve Taylor
   Ken Munn ! What planet do you live on ?06/05/17 02:11:00 Dennis Brogan
      Re:Ken Munn ! What planet do you live on ?06/05/17 09:44:00 Paul Green
         What planet do you live on ?06/05/17 10:19:00 Alan Clark
            Re:What planet do you live on ?06/05/17 10:38:00 Davis Smithson
               Re:Re:What planet do you live on ?06/05/17 10:58:00 Davis Smithson
                  Re:Re:Re:What planet do you live on ?06/05/17 11:04:00 Paul Fisher
                  Re:Re:Re:What planet do you live on ?06/05/17 11:17:00 Alan Clark
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:What planet do you live on ?06/05/17 11:40:00 Richard Greenhough
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What planet do you live on ?06/05/17 12:06:00 Alan Clark
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What planet do you live on ?06/05/17 12:16:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What planet do you live on ?06/05/17 12:50:00 Alan Clark
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What planet do you live on ?07/05/17 21:31:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:What planet do you live on ?07/05/17 21:20:00 Steve Taylor
         Re:Re: What planet do you live on ?06/05/17 11:01:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:Re: What planet do you live on ?06/05/17 12:57:00 Paul Green
               Re:Re:Re:Re: What planet do you live on ?06/05/17 19:34:00 Alan Clark
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: What planet do you live on ?06/05/17 20:05:00 Mike Chisholm
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: What planet do you live on ?07/05/17 21:45:00 Steve Taylor
   Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'06/05/17 20:19:00 Ken Munn
      Re:Re:Is it as simple as 'Theresa May hates foreigners?'06/05/17 20:48:00 Mike Chisholm
         May at the Home Office06/05/17 21:00:00 Ken Munn
            Re:May at the Home Office06/05/17 23:08:00 David Roberts
               Re:Re:May at the Home Office07/05/17 01:35:00 Penelope Crocker
                  Re:Re:Re:May at the Home Office07/05/17 07:07:00 Ken Munn
                  Re:Re:Re:May at the Home Office07/05/17 19:00:00 Andy Pease
               Re:Re:May at the Home Office07/05/17 21:53:00 Steve Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:May at the Home Office08/05/17 06:39:00 Ken Munn
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:May at the Home Office08/05/17 07:51:00 Penelope Crocker
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:May at the Home Office08/05/17 08:05:00 Steve Taylor

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