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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down
Posted by: Claire Moran
Date/Time: 21/09/14 20:56:00

Referenda are an absolute necessity and a fundamental tenet of a democratic society.  The Scottish referendum is rightly being seen across the world as a model of a democratic society, unlike some of the more corrupt  ones  that have been held–  as per  the recent Russia/Ukriane one.   A single government voted in every few years is too ‘big brush’ to deal with all the issues.  People who don’t agree with referenda might prefer living somewhere like China – autocracy does make things simple after all.
But too many  referenda can be unhelpful.  What worries me is if we vote to come out of the EU, - which while unlikely is possible - in the next referendum which will be about that topic and which will happen if the Tories get voted in again – increasingly likely unless Ed manages Houdini-lie to extricate himself from the trap cleverly sprung for him by the devilish Tories regarding Scottish devolution – we will, if there is another referendum in a few years and Yeses win – likely if Labour, because of Cameron’s trap, lose votes to the SNP – become a small little country unable to hold our own against the EU trading block, defend our borders (the Scots are keen on immigration apparently due to the declining birthrate); marshall a big enough defence force; and provide enough goods and services to trade viably across borders or even with one another.
Sorry about all those clauses, can’t be bothered to rewrite but you get the drift.  And then if devolution max  is rolled out to London, Cornwall, Wales etc, perhaps Birmingham will become the centre of little England, no longer with Scotland and no longer part of the EU, with many parts of it devolved and looking after its own little interests.   Until Birmingham gets devolved too, of course  which would be interesting -it could become an Islamic state!


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Alex Salmond Stepping Down19/09/14 16:12:00 Claire Moran
   Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down19/09/14 16:22:00 Adrian Irving
      Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down19/09/14 16:38:00 Claire Moran
         Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down19/09/14 16:40:00 Vanessa Smith
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down19/09/14 16:42:00 Penny Crocker
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down19/09/14 17:45:00 Anna Beck
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down19/09/14 19:28:00 Tessa Russell
      Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down19/09/14 16:42:00 Adrian Irving
         Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down19/09/14 16:51:00 Alan Clark
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down19/09/14 19:19:00 Susan Kelly
   Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down19/09/14 17:24:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down20/09/14 04:57:00 Peter Millman
         Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down20/09/14 07:59:00 Colin Jordan
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down20/09/14 08:35:00 James Roy
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down20/09/14 08:45:00 Colin Jordan
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down20/09/14 12:23:00 Vanessa Smith
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down20/09/14 12:38:00 James Roy
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down20/09/14 15:34:00 Vanessa Smith
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down20/09/14 16:15:00 Phil Andrews
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down20/09/14 17:22:00 Anne England
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down21/09/14 17:59:00 Alan Clark
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down21/09/14 18:37:00 Phil Andrews
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down21/09/14 20:07:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down21/09/14 20:25:00 Trudie Fuller
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down21/09/14 20:50:00 Richard Greenhough
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down21/09/14 20:56:00 Claire Moran
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down21/09/14 21:11:00 Phil Andrews
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down22/09/14 07:53:00 Colin Jordan
                                             There could be trouble ahead...22/09/14 19:24:00 Phil Andrews
                                                Re:There could be trouble ahead...22/09/14 23:13:00 Anne England
                                                   Re:Re:There could be trouble ahead...22/09/14 23:54:00 Phil Andrews
                                                      Re:Re:Re:There could be trouble ahead...23/09/14 00:19:00 Julian Pavey
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:There could be trouble ahead...23/09/14 00:25:00 Claire Moran
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:There could be trouble ahead...23/09/14 00:26:00 Claire Moran
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:There could be trouble ahead...23/09/14 00:46:00 Phil Andrews
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:There could be trouble ahead...23/09/14 02:22:00 Guy Lambert
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:There could be trouble ahead...23/09/14 07:20:00 Phil Andrews
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:There could be trouble ahead...23/09/14 08:45:00 Anne England
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:There could be trouble ahead...23/09/14 09:16:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:There could be trouble ahead...25/09/14 10:42:00 James Roy
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:There could be trouble ahead...25/09/14 10:54:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:There could be trouble ahead...25/09/14 12:56:00 Sam Hearn
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:There could be trouble ahead...25/09/14 14:48:00 James Roy
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:There could be trouble ahead...25/09/14 16:28:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:There could be trouble ahead...25/09/14 20:55:00 James Roy
   Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down25/09/14 16:33:00 Colin Jordan
      Re:Re:Alex Salmond Stepping Down25/09/14 17:49:00 Richard Greenhough

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