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Posted by: Andrew OSullivan
Date/Time: 28/07/19 07:45:00

Shared pavement space works very well where it has been implemented  take Chiswick Bridge for instance. There was a designated cycle lane on the section of pavement in front of the Church until recently and it caused no issues although it rarely seemed to be used.

My own view is that the biggest leap forward in cycling safety that could be made is to allow pavement cycling with pedestrian priority. Irresponsible cyclists who are a danger to pedestrians already cycle on the pavements and are heedless of risk to others. Allowing law-abiding cyclists to do so will not reduce pedestrian safety.

Despite some evidence free assertions that the current proposals are workable around the Dukes Avenue junction, common sense suggests that they are not. Even if somehow you can squeeze in three traffic lanes and a cycle path at this spot a significant amount of pavement on the northern side will have to go as well as the bus stop. The lanes will narrower than normal and this will increase risk for cyclists many of whom will remain with general traffic at this point because their journeys will be faster.

There is no room to be created on the southern side because, as has already been pointed out, the tree roots prevent taking the cycle path further in. Plus abutting the cycle path right up against an iron fence would just be asking for trouble. If a cyclist tried to make way for another coming from the west at the narrowed section of the path there is an increased danger they could hit the barrier putting both riders at risk of a collision adjacent to a traffic lane.

The way TfL have behaved all the way through this project and the consultations gives little reason to trust in their good faith. A possible explanation for their latest proposals and reluctance to share details is that they are aware that they are unworkable. However, by saying that they are at this point they can claim to Hounslow Council that two things that might have been red lines to them  a cycle path directly in front of the Church or the proposals for closing off access at Duke's Avene are not going to happen. Once approval is given and ground is broken on the project it will be too late to do anything when TfL says they have to revert to one of the previously rejected options for this section of CS9.





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Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 10:19:00 Paul Corcoran
   Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 10:45:00 Michael Robinson
      Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 11:07:00 Dan Evans
         Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 13:31:00 Michael Robinson
            Re:CHR wide enough for new CS9 design? Yep with loss of another Tree27/07/19 14:33:00 Loraine Pemberton
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 16:12:00 David Lesniak
      Reply27/07/19 12:24:00 Kevin Howard
         Re:Reply27/07/19 13:19:00 Michael Robinson
            Re:Re:Reply27/07/19 16:17:00 David Lesniak
      Details, details.27/07/19 16:01:00 David Lesniak
   Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 11:31:00 Tony Smart
      Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 11:42:00 Loraine Pemberton
         Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 12:22:00 Tony Smart
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 12:27:00 Loraine Pemberton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 12:41:00 Julian Pavey
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 12:54:00 Steve Taylor
               Re:Is CHR wide enough for the new CS9 design ? NO !27/07/19 12:55:00 Loraine Pemberton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 12:55:00 Tony Smart
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 13:19:00 Loraine Pemberton
                     Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 14:22:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 15:11:00 Ken Munn
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 15:30:00 Loraine Pemberton
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 15:45:00 Ken Munn
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 15:13:00 Ken Munn
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 16:04:00 Janice Evans
                        Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 16:14:00 Loraine Pemberton
                           Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 16:24:00 David Millar
                              Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 16:39:00 Loraine Pemberton
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 16:29:00 David Lesniak
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 16:47:00 Mike Chisholm
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 21:47:00 Tony Smart
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?27/07/19 23:47:00 Richard Bryson
                                 Reply28/07/19 07:45:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                    Re:Reply28/07/19 08:51:00 Steve Taylor
                                    Re:Reply28/07/19 09:42:00 Tony Smart
                                       Re:Re:Reply28/07/19 10:15:00 Dan Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Reply28/07/19 10:54:00 Tony Smart
                                             Re:Reply. Some North side pavement IS given over to CS9 !28/07/19 11:56:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                Re:Re:Reply. Some North side pavement IS given over to CS9 !28/07/19 14:51:00 Dan Evans
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Reply. Some North side pavement IS given over to CS9 !28/07/19 15:18:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Reply. Some North side pavement IS given over to CS9 !28/07/19 21:44:00 Tony Smart
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply. Some North side pavement IS given over to CS9 !29/07/19 09:08:00 Dan Evans
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply. Some North side pavement IS given over to CS9 !29/07/19 09:22:00 Tony Smart
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply. Some North side pavement IS given over to CS9 !29/07/19 09:31:00 Dan Evans
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply. Some North side pavement IS given over to CS9 !29/07/19 10:20:00 Tony Smart
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply. Some North side pavement IS given over to CS9 !29/07/19 10:07:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply. Some North side pavement IS given over to CS9 !29/07/19 10:22:00 Tony Smart
                                                                  Re:Reply. Some North side pavement IS given over to CS9 !29/07/19 11:05:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply. Some North side pavement IS given over to CS9 !29/07/19 10:36:00 David Lesniak
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply. Some North side pavement IS given over to CS9 !29/07/19 15:26:00 Dan Evans
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply. Some North side pavement IS given over to CS9 !31/07/19 13:02:00 David Lesniak
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply. Some North side pavement IS given over to CS9 !31/07/19 17:20:00 Dan Evans
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply. Some North side pavement IS given over to CS9 !01/08/19 17:11:00 David Lesniak
                                       Re:Re:Reply28/07/19 11:05:00 Richard Bryson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is Chiswick High Road wide enough for the new CS9 design?31/07/19 13:25:00 Steve Taylor
   Shooting the Messenger28/07/19 09:23:00 Francis Rowe
      Re:Shooting the Messenger28/07/19 09:50:00 Steve Taylor
      Re:Shooting the Messenger28/07/19 10:09:00 Loraine Pemberton
         Reply28/07/19 10:47:00 Richard Bryson
      Cycling on pavement is “practical and uncontentious” ?28/07/19 10:50:00 Michael Robinson
         Re:Cycling on pavement is “practical and uncontentious” ?28/07/19 10:56:00 Richard Bryson
         Re:Cycling on pavement is “practical and uncontentious” ?28/07/19 11:49:00 Michael Robinson
            Re:Re:Cycling on pavement is “practical and uncontentious” ?28/07/19 13:16:00 David Lesniak
               Re:Re:Re:Cycling on pavement is “practical and uncontentious” ?28/07/19 20:45:00 Mike Chisholm
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on pavement is “practical and uncontentious” ?28/07/19 21:06:00 Ken Munn
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on pavement is “practical and uncontentious” ?28/07/19 22:53:00 Richard Bryson
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on pavement is “practical and uncontentious” ?28/07/19 22:59:00 Tony Smart
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on pavement is “practical and uncontentious” ?28/07/19 23:20:00 Richard Bryson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Cycling on pavement is “practical and uncontentious” ?28/07/19 23:46:00 Tony Smart
                                 Re: Petition against CS9/CW9 30/07/19 13:38:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                    Not so wonderful 30/07/19 16:44:00 Ken Munn
                                       Re:Not so wonderful 30/07/19 18:00:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                          Re:Re:Not so wonderful - typo amendment 30/07/19 18:10:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                             Re:Re:Re:Not so wonderful - typo amendment 31/07/19 11:56:00 Tony Smart
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Not so wonderful - typo amendment 31/07/19 12:24:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Not so wonderful - typo amendment 31/07/19 12:41:00 David Lesniak
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Not so wonderful - typo amendment 01/08/19 00:59:00 Tony Smart
                                                      Reply01/08/19 10:27:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Not so wonderful - typo amendment 01/08/19 17:12:00 David Lesniak
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Not so wonderful - typo amendment 01/08/19 23:37:00 Tony Smart
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Not so wonderful - typo amendment 02/08/19 12:58:00 David Lesniak
                                       Re:Not so wonderful 31/07/19 12:45:00 David Lesniak
                                          Re:Re:Not so wonderful 31/07/19 13:13:00 Ken Munn
                                             Re:Re:Re:Not so wonderful 31/07/19 13:26:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                             Re:Re:Re:Not so wonderful 31/07/19 13:26:00 Janice Evans
                                 Reply01/08/19 20:09:00 Carl Wynne
                                    Re:Reply02/08/19 13:06:00 David Lesniak

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