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Topic: Re:Pensions Question
Posted by: Joe Conneely
Date/Time: 07/07/13 16:32:00

Embedded in this thread are some fascinating issues:

1. Should life expectancy drive pension age? Yes or the system becomes unworkable and a dangerous drag on national resources - the fact that there are now more over sixties than under sixteens in UK society is just the tip of the iceberg.

2. Should  people work longer (and past pension age) as a matter of course? Given the average life expectancy of someone born in 1950 is moving towards 90 (male and female), I suspect this is already happening but a mix of people wanting to remain active and involved plus financially supplement their pension and saving arrangements is leading globally to people already working on average 2-3 years longer past retirement

3. Should they do the same job? Since it happened to me and I suspect I am not unique, a retirement age below that for national retirement may well become the new norm and force people to consider new jobs.  I also suspect people will work less hours in starting to unwind down to final retirement. Some employers are actively targeting such older groups based on their better work attendance rates plus wider knowledge especially in certain retail chains.

4. So what are the problems?  Well three I would suggest.
The first is retiring before or at state defined age based on a recent  Institute of Economic Affairs Report is actually bad for your health, so pushing for a work longer attitude being in your best interests. 
The second is that an older retirement age for state pensions in not being matched by people being healthier by the time they retire. There was a government sponsored report a few years ago ( I have lost the reference) which showed more people were reaching retirement in an unhealthy state which means they will be a bigger drag on society as the means to keep them alive longer now exists versus prior periods.
The third is that more people living longer is not matched by greater personal financial saving and pension provision in that group. As with a lot in UK society over recent decades the rich have got richer and the poor will be poorer.
The recent government moves to promote mandatory personal pensions is a key (and very belated) first step but will really only benefit the current younger generations (a third of whom it is projected will live to over 100 years old and will be in dire need of it!).


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Pensions Question05/07/13 13:33:00 Julian Pavey
   Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 14:30:00 Jeannie Shapiro
      Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 14:42:00 Andy Pease
         Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 14:45:00 Susan Kelly
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 16:38:00 Andy Pease
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 16:54:00 Martin Whaley
         Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 16:12:00 Martin Whaley
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 16:21:00 Susan Kelly
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 16:42:00 Martin Whaley
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 19:22:00 Susan Kelly
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 16:28:00 Keith Iddon
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 16:32:00 Julian Pavey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 16:44:00 Martin Whaley
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 17:00:00 Andy Pease
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 17:16:00 Maggie Dodge
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 19:08:00 Claire Moran
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 19:57:00 Keith Iddon
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 20:24:00 Paul Green
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 20:52:00 Claire Moran
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 21:06:00 Paul Green
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 21:42:00 Andy Pease
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 21:59:00 Andy Pease
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 21:43:00 Claire Moran
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 21:46:00 Claire Moran
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 23:55:00 Martin Whaley
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 22:17:00 John Dowling
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 22:48:00 Keith Iddon
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question05/07/13 23:16:00 John Dowling
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question06/07/13 01:31:00 Julian Pavey
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question06/07/13 01:48:00 Georgina Flint
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question06/07/13 01:56:00 Julian Pavey
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question06/07/13 16:52:00 Claire Moran
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question07/07/13 14:59:00 Charles Campbell
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question07/07/13 15:00:00 Georgina Flint
                                                      Re:Pensions Question07/07/13 16:32:00 Joe Conneely
                                                         Re:Re:Pensions Question07/07/13 17:54:00 Susan Kelly
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question07/07/13 19:24:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question07/07/13 19:26:00 Susan Kelly
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question08/07/13 02:32:00 Joe Conneely
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question08/07/13 02:45:00 Joe Conneely
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Pensions Question08/07/13 07:09:00 Susan Kelly
                                                                  Some good news for once16/07/13 14:48:00 Susan Kelly

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