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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Majority of residents think Staveley Rd barrier is a success
Posted by: Paul Campbell
Date/Time: 31/05/22 13:36:00

You're both inventing when the survey was done. Neither of you pauses to think that the high response rate might indicate you are not right about your assumption. I don't know when it was done either but I deduce it wasn't during the working day.

And then you assume that people who are dependent on cars are more likely to be out than non-drivers during the working day. Eh? It's not difficult to construct an equally evidence-free basis of opining the exact opposite of that, especially on roads like this with very high house prices and a lot of retired people who had plenty of time to stand around for weeks trying to block Council employees from doing their jobs.

And then you invent that drivers would be more inclined to be against the barrier. This is the biggest flaw of your criticism - the assumption that people are either one or the other and their response is predictable depending on which they are. I'd say it is a safe bet that a very significant proportion of the people on Staveley and Park who said they support the barrier are drivers who are enjoying the improved living conditions on their road and in their area when they are not in their car a great deal more than they are annoyed by having to drive a short detour.

The survey only draws conclusions about what people on Park and Staveley think. That is its purpose and it is all that it claims and it has captured a far higher proportion of residents in its catchment than any other survey or poll in the area. This has been a long-standing misunderstanding for our local car lobby. They still haven't got their heads around the idea that a Council will prioritise the needs of residents on roads that are particularly badly affected by the negatives of high traffic flow. Exactly as they did for Stile Hall and Wellesley and Beverley Road (and all the other roads in Homefields Ward apart from the six that facilitate flow of through-traffic).

The barrier isn't a zero sum game. It has encouraged some people in its immediate vicinity to walk or cycle instead of using their cars, reducing car load in the overall area; it has encouraged people not in its immediate vicinity to leave the car at home and use Staveley as a safe route this reducing car load in the overall area; it creates an ultra-low traffic street 24/7 for people to enjoy walking and cycling across Grove Park east to west (I know lots of people who live west of Sutton Court Road who love that) and to access Chiswick House and Dukes Meadows without the car. In short it provides very tangible positive benefits and improved life quality to many people who do not live on the two streets.

Finally Sam Hearn got a no right turn sign put on Lawford Road to ensure that he and his neighbours didn't suffer from traffic displacement. It was his success.

Apart from that everything you say is probably entirely correct.


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SCLTN scheme Public Protest27/05/22 09:15:00 Strand on the Green Association
   Re:SCLTN scheme Public Protest27/05/22 09:40:00 Paul Campbell
      Re:Re:SCLTN scheme Public Protest27/05/22 09:44:00 Paul Scullion
      Re:Re:SCLTN scheme Public Protest27/05/22 10:37:00 Richard Greenhough
   Re:SCLTN scheme Public Protest27/05/22 12:14:00 Rae Lewis
      Re:Re:SCLTN scheme Public Protest27/05/22 14:21:00 Philippa Bond
      Re:Re:SCLTN scheme Public Protest27/05/22 16:11:00 Adrian Irving
         Re:Re:Re:SCLTN scheme Public Protest27/05/22 20:06:00 Rae Lewis
            Re:Re:Re:Re:SCLTN scheme Public Protest27/05/22 20:26:00 Paul Campbell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SCLTN scheme Public Protest28/05/22 07:35:00 David Lesniak
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SCLTN scheme Public Protest28/05/22 09:05:00 Maggie Dodge
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SCLTN scheme Public Protest28/05/22 19:21:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SCLTN scheme Public Protest28/05/22 21:05:00 Maggie Dodge
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SCLTN scheme Public Protest28/05/22 23:46:00 Stewart Jones
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SCLTN scheme Public Protest29/05/22 06:53:00 Steve Taylor
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SCLTN scheme Public Protest29/05/22 09:32:00 Stewart Jones
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SCLTN scheme Public Protest29/05/22 19:06:00 Steve Taylor
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:SCLTN scheme Public Protest30/05/22 21:47:00 Stewart Jones
   Majority of residents think Staveley Rd barrier is a success31/05/22 11:06:00 Tom Pike
      Re:Majority of residents think Staveley Rd barrier is a success31/05/22 11:18:00 James Holmes-Siedle
         Re:Re:Majority of residents think Staveley Rd barrier is a success31/05/22 11:44:00 Tom Pike
      Re:Majority of residents think Staveley Rd barrier is a success31/05/22 11:22:00 Paul Campbell
         Re:Re:Majority of residents think Staveley Rd barrier is a success31/05/22 12:04:00 Jeremy Parkinson
            Re:Re:Re:Majority of residents think Staveley Rd barrier is a success31/05/22 12:08:00 Paul Campbell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Majority of residents think Staveley Rd barrier is a success31/05/22 12:33:00 Jeremy Parkinson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Majority of residents think Staveley Rd barrier is a success31/05/22 12:35:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Majority of residents think Staveley Rd barrier is a success31/05/22 12:49:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Majority of residents think Staveley Rd barrier is a success31/05/22 13:07:00 Francis Rowe
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Majority of residents think Staveley Rd barrier is a success31/05/22 13:36:00 Paul Campbell
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Majority of residents think Staveley Rd barrier is a success31/05/22 15:00:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Majority of residents think Staveley Rd barrier is a success31/05/22 15:48:00 Edward Seaton
         Re:Re:Majority of residents think Staveley Rd barrier is a success31/05/22 17:07:00 David Lesniak
            Over 80% of Chiswick against all Traffic Schemes31/05/22 17:20:00 Jonathan Mabbutt
               Re:Over 80% of Chiswick against all Traffic Schemes31/05/22 17:42:00 Paul Campbell
                  Re:Re:Over 80% of Chiswick against all Traffic Schemes31/05/22 18:41:00 Edward Seaton
                     Reply31/05/22 19:04:00 John Hall
                        Re:Reply31/05/22 19:32:00 Maggie Dodge
                     Re:Re:Re:Over 80% of Chiswick against all Traffic Schemes31/05/22 19:30:00 Maggie Dodge
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Over 80% of Chiswick against all Traffic Schemes31/05/22 20:32:00 Steve Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Over 80% of Chiswick against all Traffic Schemes31/05/22 21:31:00 Maggie Dodge
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Over 80% of Chiswick against all Traffic Schemes01/06/22 17:27:00 Andrew Jones
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Over 80% of Chiswick against all Traffic Schemes01/06/22 17:38:00 Maggie Dodge
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Over 80% of Chiswick against all Traffic Schemes01/06/22 17:52:00 Andrew Jones
                  Re:Re:Over 80% of Chiswick against all Traffic Schemes31/05/22 23:12:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Over 80% of Chiswick against all Traffic Schemes01/06/22 00:03:00 Mark Talbot
                     18 People turn up to demonstrate opposition to the Traffic Schemes01/06/22 09:26:00 Tom Pike
                        Re:18 People turn up to demonstrate opposition to the Traffic Schemes01/06/22 09:45:00 Paul Fisher
                           Re:Re:18 People turn up to demonstrate opposition to the Traffic Schemes01/06/22 09:59:00 Steve Taylor
                           Re:Re:18 People turn up to demonstrate opposition to the Traffic Schemes01/06/22 11:06:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Cyclists in the rain01/06/22 11:34:00 Maggie Dodge
                              Re:Re:Re:18 People turn up to demonstrate opposition to the Traffic Schemes01/06/22 18:54:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:18 People turn up to demonstrate opposition to the Traffic Schemes01/06/22 18:53:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:18 People turn up to demonstrate opposition to the Traffic Schemes01/06/22 20:28:00 Steve Taylor
                           Re:Re:18 People turn up to demonstrate opposition to the Traffic Schemes01/06/22 21:06:00 Maggie Dodge

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