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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article -
Posted by: John Connelly
Date/Time: 11/11/10 12:18:00

In response to Susan Kelly, workers who are not in a company pension plan pay 31% income tax intially - 20% basic + 11% National Insurance. Governments of both main parties have reduced basic rate for all taxpayers in recent times, usually accompanying this with an increase in national insurance that only applies to those in work.

Today I pay 20% tax on my occupational pension, 11% less than someone working for a living. Those with savings pay 20% basic, while those living off dividends pay only 10% basic rate. The tax system itself discriminates against people who work for a living.

I believe the national insurance, which is really just an income tax on workers (plus the employer contribution) should be incorporated into basic rate and paid on all sources of income at the same level. If this was raised to 31% - and this could not be done in a single step for obvious reasons - the extra would provide funds for education and other services. (Obviously, a fiscally neutral tax rate would mean workers would pay less and those whose incomes come from other sources would pay more than at present.)

On the issue of university places, if the government agrees that many courses are "mickey mouse" then student numbers should be constrained. If they are not prepared to do so and they really believe many courses are a waste of time then they are condemning young people to a future in debt as a result of their spinelessness.

Additionally, why should potential nurses, teachers, social workers etc. be obliged to go into debt in return for "the privilege" of serving the community on much lower salaries than future city spivs?

The national debate about education should not be about how Higher Education is paid for but about the appropriate mix of education needed to serve our future collective needs. If young people leaving school and further education were better equiped to deal with monetary issues such as budgeting and dealing with debt I am sure many of them would make different decisions at that point than they do today.


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Rioters spoil Demonstration against increased student fees10/11/10 15:10:00 John Connelly
   Re:Rioters spoil Demonstration against increased student fees10/11/10 16:50:00 Carrie Richards
      Re:Re:Rioters spoil Demonstration against increased student fees10/11/10 16:57:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
      Re:Re:Rioters spoil Demonstration against increased student fees10/11/10 17:21:00 Vanessa Smith
         Re:Re:Re:Rioters spoil Demonstration against increased student fees10/11/10 17:26:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Rioters spoil Demonstration against increased student fees10/11/10 18:01:00 Carrie Richards
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rioters spoil Demonstration against increased student fees10/11/10 18:12:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rioters spoil Demonstration against increased student fees10/11/10 18:27:00 Tina Pemberton
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rioters spoil Demonstration against increased student fees10/11/10 18:36:00 Vanessa Smith
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                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rioters spoil Demonstration against increased student fees10/11/10 18:50:00 Tina Pemberton
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rioters spoil Demonstration against increased student fees10/11/10 18:40:00 Carrie Richards
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rioters spoil Demonstration against increased student fees10/11/10 19:57:00 William Beausire
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rioters spoil Demonstration against increased student fees10/11/10 21:21:00 Guy Lambert
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rioters spoil Demonstration against increased student fees10/11/10 22:51:00 William Beausire
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rioters spoil Demonstration against increased student fees12/11/10 01:28:00 Guy Lambert
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Rioters spoil Demonstration against increased student fees13/11/10 12:15:00 William Beausire
                     Re:Suffragettes11/11/10 16:39:00 Richard Greenhough
   Re:Rioters spoil Demonstration against increased student fees10/11/10 20:04:00 Elizabeth Ross
      Re: Not just a few bad apples then.....10/11/10 20:57:00 Carrie Richards
         Re:Re: Not just a few bad apples then.....10/11/10 21:04:00 Carrie Richards
            Re Brillian article - 10/11/10 21:38:00 Carrie Richards
               Re:Re Brillian article - 10/11/10 22:32:00 John Connelly
                  Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 10/11/10 22:57:00 William Beausire
                     Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 10/11/10 23:09:00 Guy Lambert
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 13/11/10 12:09:00 William Beausire
                  Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 10/11/10 23:43:00 Carrie Richards
                     Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 08:23:00 Bernadette Paul
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 08:46:00 Tina Pemberton
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 09:11:00 Carrie Richards
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 10:15:00 Brenda OSullivan
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 10:43:00 Tina Pemberton
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 11:12:00 Carrie Richards
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 11:13:00 Carrie Richards
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 11:29:00 Emma Thatcher
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 11:31:00 Carrie Richards
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 11:37:00 Emma Thatcher
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 11:43:00 Susan Kelly
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 11:54:00 Carrie Richards
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 11:58:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 12:15:00 Michael Daley
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 17:44:00 Tina Pemberton
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 19:30:00 Michael Daley
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 19:56:00 Carrie Richards
                                                            Re: Wights and Wongs 12/11/10 12:07:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                               Re:Re: Wights and Wongs 12/11/10 12:52:00 Robin Taylor
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                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 22:56:00 Tina Pemberton
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 11/11/10 12:18:00 John Connelly
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 13/11/10 09:36:00 Francis Rowe
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 13/11/10 11:28:00 Carrie Richards
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 13/11/10 12:26:00 William Beausire
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 13/11/10 13:05:00 Carrie Richards
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 13/11/10 13:10:00 Carrie Richards
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brillian article - 13/11/10 13:36:00 William Beausire
                                                               Re: Zeigest - the movie...part 2. 13/11/10 21:13:00 Carrie Richards
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brilliant article - 11/11/10 16:49:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re Brilliant article - 11/11/10 17:48:00 Carrie Richards
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