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Topic: Re:Re:Car free day
Posted by: Paul Corcoran
Date/Time: 12/07/18 08:11:00

Not sure where you have seen this discussed online but it won't have been proposed by anyone with an ounce of common sense.

On the presumption that the proposal would be to shut the central stretch of Chiswick High Road it would only take a short pause for reflection to realise this would be a very bad idea.

The first thing to remember is that there is no such thing as a 'Car Free Day' - what it actually would be is a 'Cars Somewhere Else Day'. In this case the likely diversion would take traffic north of the High Road along Acton Lane, South Parade, Bath Road and Goldhawk Road. South of the High Road traffic would probably seek to utilise roads like Barrowgate and Wavendon to make progress.

Although a proportion of journeys may be postponed so there may be fewer vehicles on the road there will still be a substantial proportion that have to take place regardless of the closure. Also TfL tends to be terrible at publicising anything at a local level so many people will be taken by surprise by the road being shut.

What this means is that traffic will be diverted onto roads that have much less capacity and they will quickly become log jammed. This will result in rat running in nearby adjacent roads which won't take long to clog up. Hence the net effect of closure will be to move traffic to a road next to which people might spend an hour or so a day shopping to near where they live or where their children go to school.

It is not clear whether the idea is for a car free or vehicle free day. If the idea is to reduce pollution then a car only free day doesn't make much sense. The latest report from Hounslow Council shows that they only account for 22% of emissions on Chiswick High Road. However, nobody in their right mind would suggest diverting buses and HGVs up unsuitable residential streets so the air quality on the High Road would not improve dramatically. Certainly not enough to compensate for the deterioration elsewhere.

The real question is why these daft ideas ever get proposed in the first place. I would guess that it is because, despite all the cuts that we have seen elsewhere bureaucracies remain overstaffed. People are employed to come up with initiatives and they feel they have to come up with something attention grabbing. A car free day might cause misery to thousands of local people but it will get its proponents applause from those on social media who don't need to drive to get to work or as part of their job and gain a sense of moral superiority over those that do as a result.

This would really just be about spending money for those in government to feel good about themselves and giving them an excuse for not dealing with the harder transport issues locally that need addressing such as the situation at Gunnersbury and Turnham Green tube stations.


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Car free day11/07/18 23:11:00 Tony Smart
   Re:Car free day12/07/18 00:20:00 Robert Fish
      Re:Re:Car free day12/07/18 00:47:00 Tony Smart
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   Re:Car free day12/07/18 06:01:00 Andy Pease
      Re:Re:Car free day12/07/18 06:45:00 Tony Smart
      Re:Re:Car free day12/07/18 08:11:00 Paul Corcoran
   Re:Car free day12/07/18 07:11:00 Ken Munn
      Re:Re:Car free day12/07/18 07:15:00 Micki Hawkes
         Re:Re:Re:Car free day12/07/18 07:22:00 Michael Robinson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day12/07/18 07:31:00 Steve Taylor
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                  Re:Re:Car free day - would that include delivery vehicles ?12/07/18 08:25:00 Matthew Swain
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day12/07/18 08:34:00 Angela Peel
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day12/07/18 08:39:00 Bernard Allen
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day12/07/18 08:45:00 Anita Blake
               Devonshire Road - Car free day12/07/18 08:43:00 Angela Peel
                  Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 10:15:00 Karen Liebreich
                     Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 10:41:00 Tony Smart
                        Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 11:20:00 Anita Blake
                           Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 11:26:00 Tony Smart
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 11:30:00 Anita Blake
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 11:38:00 Tony Smart
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 11:45:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 11:53:00 Matthew Swain
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 12:06:00 Mark Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 12:07:00 Jeffrey Cope
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 12:21:00 Steve Taylor
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 12:16:00 Richard Cathcart
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 12:16:00 Steve Taylor
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 12:45:00 Philippa Bond
                                       Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area? But it wouldn't...12/07/18 12:54:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                          Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area? But it wouldn't...12/07/18 13:17:00 Matthew Swain
                                             Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area? But it wouldn't...12/07/18 13:40:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area? But it wouldn't...12/07/18 17:03:00 Ken Munn
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area? But it wouldn't...12/07/18 19:15:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area? But it wouldn't...12/07/18 20:17:00 Steve Taylor
                                             Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area? But it wouldn't...12/07/18 13:45:00 Carl Wynne
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area? But it wouldn't...12/07/18 13:53:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area? But it wouldn't...12/07/18 14:04:00 Carl Wynne
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area? But it wouldn't...12/07/18 14:04:00 Julian Pavey
                                                      Hammersmith Car Free Day12/07/18 14:39:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                         Re:Hammersmith Car Free Day12/07/18 14:54:00 Julian Pavey
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area? But it wouldn't...12/07/18 18:32:00 Carl Wynne
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area? But it wouldn't...12/07/18 20:06:00 Steve Taylor
                                          Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area? But it wouldn't...12/07/18 13:18:00 Richard Cathcart
                        Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 14:19:00 David Lesniak
                           Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 18:20:00 Joanna Biddolph
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 20:02:00 Karen Liebreich
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 20:05:00 Claire Moran
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 20:31:00 Julian Pavey
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?15/07/18 07:24:00 Susann Jerry
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 20:35:00 Carl Wynne
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 20:42:00 Claire Moran
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 23:49:00 Carl Wynne
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 20:50:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 20:51:00 Steve Taylor
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 21:20:00 Tony Smart
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 21:35:00 Bernard Allen
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 21:43:00 Claire Moran
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 23:11:00 Ken Munn
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 22:34:00 Steve Taylor
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 22:37:00 Tony Smart
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?12/07/18 23:07:00 Ken Munn
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?14/07/18 15:10:00 Mat Smith
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?14/07/18 15:16:00 Carl Wynne
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?14/07/18 15:32:00 Sarah Bradley
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?14/07/18 15:39:00 Philippa Bond
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?14/07/18 20:57:00 Claire Moran
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?14/07/18 16:21:00 Carl Wynne
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?14/07/18 19:08:00 Mat Smith
                                          Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?14/07/18 19:29:00 Philippa Bond
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?14/07/18 20:36:00 Felicity Caborn
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?14/07/18 19:32:00 Paul Campbell
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?14/07/18 19:50:00 Angela Peel
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?14/07/18 20:23:00 Joanna Biddolph
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?14/07/18 20:40:00 Julian Pavey
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?14/07/18 20:52:00 Edward Seaton
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?14/07/18 22:20:00 Tony Smart
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?14/07/18 23:22:00 Joanna Biddolph
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?14/07/18 23:40:00 Tony Smart
                                                   Let's have London's first Car Free Day!14/07/18 23:24:00 Hans Lund-Sorensen
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?15/07/18 06:47:00 David Lesniak
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?15/07/18 09:15:00 Edward Seaton
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?15/07/18 10:12:00 Anita Blake
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?15/07/18 10:25:00 Ken Munn
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?15/07/18 11:02:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                            Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?15/07/18 11:52:00 Steve Taylor
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?15/07/18 11:53:00 Michael Robinson
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?15/07/18 11:53:00 Tony Smart
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?15/07/18 12:12:00 Andrew OSullivan
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?15/07/18 12:24:00 Kevin Howard
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?15/07/18 12:38:00 Tony Smart
                                                            Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?15/07/18 12:33:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                               Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?15/07/18 12:40:00 Tony Smart
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?15/07/18 13:07:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Car free day throughout the Chiswick High Rd area?15/07/18 13:10:00 Tony Smart

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