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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?
Posted by: Francis Rowe
Date/Time: 21/05/13 09:18:00

Iain, when you started by saying it is amazing how you can attempt to rewrite history was your subsequent post trying to demonstrate this?

I have heard of Keynes and although I am willing to accept you have too I can't believe you have actually ever read any of his work or any credible analysis of it. Most people assume that his sole contribution to economics was suggesting people should be paid to dig holes and then fill them in during a recession. This is forgetting that he believed the Government should act counter-cyclically in both directions. Brown's 'prudence' was no such thing. He massively expanded both the debt and the deficit at times of strong economic growth which is exactly the time Keynes would have been recommending running surpluses. We still don't know the full extent of the damage his profligacy caused because the total cost of all the PFI deals arranged to hide the size of the deficit has yet to be totalled up.

The current Government inherited a huge debt and deficit and a bloated public sector but the fragility of the banking sector has made it impossible to do anything that even begins to tackle the structural problem the economy has. The problems aren't going to be resolved by this Government or the next and will take decades to deal with and, although there might be differences in nuance and rhetoric, the policies that every Government will have to follow will be dictated by circumstance not ideology.

As for Labour, they gave a strong hint to the electorate that they preferred opposition to government when they chose Ed Milliband over his brother. With the Tories split between the chumocracy and the swivel eyed loons and losing ground rapidly to UKIP and the Lib Dems with their credibility in tatters, Labour should be romping away in the polls. That they are not in such favourable circumstances strongly suggests they won't get anywhere near to a majority next time out.


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Swivel-eyed loons?19/05/13 22:32:00 Janine Jarvis
   Re:Swivel-eyed loons?19/05/13 23:03:00 Julian Pavey
   Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 07:57:00 Guy Lambert
      Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 09:21:00 Stewart Dean
   Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 08:25:00 Susan Kelly
   Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 09:15:00 Stewart Dean
      Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 10:36:00 Vanessa Smith
         Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 10:42:00 C Wynne
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 11:03:00 Vanessa Smith
         Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 11:09:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 11:46:00 Guy Lambert
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 12:18:00 Stewart Dean
   Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 12:06:00 Stuart Kerr
      Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 12:10:00 Vanessa Smith
         Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 12:16:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 13:32:00 Vanessa Smith
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 13:34:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 22:13:00 Robert Forrest
   Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 12:22:00 Pete Mayes
      Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 12:47:00 Stewart Dean
         Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 13:29:00 Neil Muller
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 13:32:00 Stewart Dean
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 13:33:00 Richard Greenhough
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 13:42:00 Neil Muller
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 14:20:00 Stewart Dean
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 13:51:00 Will Watson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 14:14:00 Neil Muller
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 14:22:00 Stewart Dean
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 18:32:00 Will Watson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 14:15:00 Stewart Dean
         Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 13:54:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 14:19:00 Stewart Dean
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 14:29:00 Stuart Kerr
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 15:04:00 Stewart Dean
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 15:15:00 Stuart Kerr
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 14:35:00 Claudia Jachtmann
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 14:39:00 Stuart Kerr
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 14:43:00 Claudia Jachtmann
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 14:45:00 Michael Daley
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 14:52:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 16:23:00 Guy Lambert
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 16:34:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 16:45:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 17:11:00 John Hickman
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 16:51:00 Pete Mayes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 17:15:00 Stewart Dean
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 17:24:00 Pete Mayes
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 17:43:00 Stewart Dean
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 17:55:00 Pete Mayes
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?21/05/13 09:39:00 Stewart Dean
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?21/05/13 11:14:00 Pete Mayes
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?21/05/13 15:57:00 Stewart Dean
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?21/05/13 18:31:00 Pete Mayes
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?21/05/13 20:02:00 Stewart Dean
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?21/05/13 20:14:00 Pete Mayes
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 18:01:00 Richard Greenhough
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 18:09:00 Claudia Jachtmann
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?21/05/13 09:29:00 Stewart Dean
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 16:49:00 Iain Muir
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 17:11:00 Neil Muller
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 17:20:00 Pete Mayes
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 17:36:00 Neil Muller
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 17:40:00 Pete Mayes
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 18:25:00 Vanessa Smith
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 18:28:00 Pete Mayes
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 23:38:00 Thomas Barry
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 17:56:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 17:52:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 21:10:00 Janine Jarvis
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 21:27:00 Stuart Kerr
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 22:17:00 Janine Jarvis
                                 Janine's quite right, of course20/05/13 22:20:00 Thomas Barry
                                    Re:Janine's quite right, of course20/05/13 22:26:00 Stuart Kerr
                                       Re:Re:Janine's quite right, of course20/05/13 23:39:00 Thomas Barry
                                    Re:Janine's quite right, of course20/05/13 22:26:00 Pete Mayes
            Losing patience with Cllr Hearn's ridiculous parallel universe here20/05/13 23:04:00 Thomas Barry
               Re:Losing patience with Cllr Hearn's ridiculous parallel universe here20/05/13 23:39:00 Oliver Gibb
               Re:Losing patience with Cllr Hearn's ridiculous parallel universe here20/05/13 23:53:00 Pete Mayes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?20/05/13 23:11:00 Thomas Barry
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?21/05/13 00:21:00 Iain Muir
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?21/05/13 09:09:00 Neil Muller
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?21/05/13 09:18:00 Francis Rowe
                  Ian Muir is deeply misleading on one point21/05/13 15:51:00 Thomas Barry
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?21/05/13 09:57:00 Vanessa Smith
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?21/05/13 10:44:00 David Roberts
                     For Mr Tubthumper..21/05/13 10:48:00 Stuart Kerr
                        Re:For Mr Tubthumper..21/05/13 11:11:00 Pete Mayes
                           Re:Re:For Mr Tubthumper..21/05/13 12:12:00 Xanthe West
                           Re:Re:For Mr Tubthumper..21/05/13 15:24:00 Thomas Barry
                              Re:Re:Re:For Mr Tubthumper..21/05/13 16:26:00 Pete Mayes
                        Re:For Mr Tubthumper..21/05/13 15:23:00 Thomas Barry
                        Grown up people on Twitter are watching us...21/05/13 21:43:00 Thomas Barry
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Swivel-eyed loons?21/05/13 15:20:00 Thomas Barry
                        For Mr Tubthumper (again)...21/05/13 18:21:00 Stuart Kerr

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