Doesn't the haste involved in all of this, the lack of serious debate or clarity, the absence of direct popular approval concern anyone just one teensy little bit?
This issue isn't about Tory or Labour, Christian Democrat or Socialist, Union pour un Mouvement Populaire or Front National.
It's about national governments in 27 countries giving away national sovereignty that isn't theirs to give. It's about these same leaders smearing national sentiment as “populist demagoguery and using the Holocaust as justification for "the supranational idea".
It's about "a new form of democracy" less democratic than the one it's replacing.
It's about elected leaders being less than honest with the people who elected them, not calling things what they actually are. It's about the author of the rejected Constitution saying "public opinion will be led to adopt, without knowing it, the proposals that we dare not present to them ‘directly’.”
It's about the spirit of Article 21 of Germany's Basic Law being broken, an executive representing "the political will of the people" yet being too scared to actually ask the people their opinion.
It's about 84% of Germany's law already being handed down by the EU. It's about the British government refusing to divulge how much of the UK's law comes from the EU.
It's about EU corpus juris being bolted onto national legal systems, almost 500 million people potentially being handed less democracy, less accountability, a more distant legislature and a constitution by stealth via treaties worded "as illegible as possible."
It's about the EU Commission President Jose Barroso quipping he's happy his son's studying law, as under the new treaty "lawyers have a beautiful future.”
It's about a rejected Constitution being reanimated, binding treaties being gradually amended, vetoes given up and things happening by stealth, below the radar, with no scrutiny, debate or input from the public.
It's about people being labelled "psychological terrorists" by members of the ruling class - all for questioning the way things are going.
Again, doesn't the lack of serious debate worry anyone? |
| Topic | Date Posted | Posted By |
| Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 23/06/07 18:27:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 23/06/07 18:42:00 | Jerry Makides |
| Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 23/06/07 18:46:00 | Jan Jarvis |
| Re:Re:Ireland to hold Referendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 23/06/07 18:49:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Referendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 23/06/07 19:06:00 | Helen Fogarth |
| Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Referendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 23/06/07 19:10:00 | Jan Jarvis |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Referendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 23/06/07 19:17:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Referendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 23/06/07 22:02:00 | Jan Jarvis |
| media manipulation | 23/06/07 22:18:00 | Jerry Makides |
| Re:media manipulation | 25/06/07 11:18:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Referendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 25/06/07 12:23:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 24/06/07 09:24:00 | Peter G Boardman |
| Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 24/06/07 10:21:00 | Peter John |
| Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 24/06/07 22:03:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 25/06/07 12:36:00 | Will Watson |
| Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 25/06/07 13:46:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 25/06/07 13:54:00 | Helen Fogarth |
| After Iraq, can we trust Blair anymore ? | 25/06/07 14:28:00 | David Giles |
| Re:After Iraq, can we trust Blair anymore ? | 25/06/07 14:49:00 | Jonathan Bingham |
| Re:Re:After Iraq, can we trust Blair anymore ? | 25/06/07 17:09:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:After Iraq, can we trust Blair anymore ? | 25/06/07 17:24:00 | Will Watson |
| Re:A form of democracy | 25/06/07 17:44:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Re:A form of democracy | 25/06/07 17:56:00 | Will Watson |
| Re:After Iraq, can we trust Blair anymore ? | 25/06/07 17:50:00 | John Mc Cann |
| Re:Re:After Iraq, can we trust Blair anymore ? | 25/06/07 17:53:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 25/06/07 14:31:00 | Will Watson |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 25/06/07 14:37:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| A shift in sovereignty | 25/06/07 14:54:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| “The proposals that we dare not present to them directly” | 25/06/07 15:11:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| “Psychological terrorists” and the “new form of democracy” | 25/06/07 15:29:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Britain has not had a Referendum on Europe since 6th June 1975 | 25/06/07 18:12:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Britain has not had a Referendum on Europe since 6th June 1975 | 25/06/07 19:53:00 | Guy Lambert |
| Same old conservatives | 26/06/07 09:15:00 | Stephen Thornton |
| It's not about the Conservatives | 26/06/07 11:27:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:Same old conservatives | 26/06/07 13:19:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Same old conservatives | 26/06/07 14:00:00 | Stephen Thornton |
| Re:Re:Re:Same old conservatives | 26/06/07 16:53:00 | David Giles |
| Re:What we voted on in 1975 | 26/06/07 14:19:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| The devil's in the detail | 26/06/07 16:40:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 26/06/07 20:38:00 | David Giles |
| Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 26/06/07 21:56:00 | John Mc Cann |
| Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 26/06/07 22:20:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 26/06/07 23:01:00 | Jerry Makides |
| Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 08:57:00 | Guy Lambert |
| Responding to Jerry: “The end of democracy” | 27/06/07 12:17:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Responding to Jerry: “totalitarianism” | 27/06/07 12:27:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Responding to Jerry: “Loss of freedom” | 27/06/07 12:36:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Responding to Jerry: The EU, prosperity and peace in Europe | 27/06/07 12:54:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 12:59:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 13:17:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 15:55:00 | Guy Lambert |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 18:02:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 18:53:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 21:39:00 | Guy Lambert |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 21:47:00 | John Mc Cann |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 21:52:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 22:03:00 | John Mc Cann |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 22:54:00 | Guy Lambert |
| Legal opinion wanted | 27/06/07 23:16:00 | Peter John |
| Re:Legal opinion wanted | 27/06/07 23:40:00 | John Mc Cann |
| Re:Re:Legal opinion wanted | 28/06/07 09:57:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:Re:Re:Legal opinion wanted | 28/06/07 10:52:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Legal opinion wanted | 28/06/07 12:36:00 | Colin Jordan |
| The threat to the British Constitution and Parliament | 28/06/07 17:46:00 | David Giles |
| Re:The threat to the British Constitution and Parliament | 28/06/07 22:33:00 | Guy Lambert |
| Re:Re:The threat to the British Constitution and Parliament | 29/06/07 00:05:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Legal opinion wanted | 29/06/07 11:08:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Legal opinion wanted | 29/06/07 12:22:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| A Good Week to Bury Really Bad News | 29/06/07 17:59:00 | David Giles |
| Labour Party calls for Referendum | 30/06/07 17:22:00 | David Giles |
| Trade Union calls for Referendum | 11/07/07 20:24:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Trade Union calls for Referendum | 16/10/07 22:02:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 04/07/07 19:35:00 | Peter G Boardman |
| Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 04/07/07 20:36:00 | Helen Fogarth |
| Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 04/07/07 22:25:00 | Will Watson |
| Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 05/07/07 08:25:00 | Peter John |
| Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 05/07/07 18:46:00 | David Giles |
| EU to pay Wine Producers to give up producing bad wine | 06/07/07 18:14:00 | David Giles |
| For Guy: France, Germany and the stability pact | 12/07/07 11:19:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:For Guy: France, Germany and the stability pact | 12/07/07 12:22:00 | Guy Lambert |
| Britain's Seat on the UN Security Council | 05/08/07 20:07:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Britain's Seat on the UN Security Council | 05/08/07 20:29:00 | Colin Jordan |
| Re:Re:For Guy: France, Germany and the stability pact | 06/08/07 15:12:00 | David Giles |
| Can we trust Gordon Brown on this issue ? | 15/10/07 18:36:00 | David Giles |
| Referendum | 17/10/07 09:22:00 | Brendan McCarthy |