According to RTE News, Ireland will be holding a referendum on the new EU Treaty.
See: http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0623/eu.html
Ireland has a written Constitution and each time there is a new EU constitutional treaty, Ireland holds a referendum.That seems to be pretty sensible and democratic to me.
On one occasion, the Irish voted to reject a new EU treaty. So have the Danes, the French and the Dutch. The proposed new EU Constitution was rejected by both the French and the Dutch with the result that EU, under its present German Presidency, has had to replace it by a so-called Treaty which would not have to be subject to a referendum in certain countries such as the UK where it is likely to be rejected.
Britain has never held a referendum on the various new EU treaties the British Government has entered into since the EEC was replaced by the EU. Instead successive British Governments has transferred powers to the EU without the consent of the British people and conferred new powers on the EU without the consent of the British people.
The new EU Treaty agreed this week by outgoing lame duck Prime Minister Tony Blair is an EU Constitution in all but in name.
Mr Blair will be leaving office before the British Parliament will have the opportunity to review or debate or vote on the Treaty so it will be the responsibility of his unelected successor, Gordon Brown, a Scottish MP, who is unelected by and unanswerable to the electorates of England, Wales and Northern Ireland, to persuade Parliament to ratify the new Treaty. That doesn't seem very fair or deomocratic to me.
In view of the facts that
1.the provisions of the new Treaty were not mentioned in the Labour Party's Manifesto for the last General Election,
2.Mr Blair had promised a Referendum on any new EU Constitution, and
3. Mr Blair fought the last General Election on the basis that he would serve a full term, but has reneged on that promise,and he has been replaced by Gordon Brown without an election inside or outside the Labour Party, and without the consent of the British electorate, and
4. The new Treaty fundamentally alters the legal and constitutional relationship between this country and the EU, and
5. Creates new posts of EU President and Higher Representative for Foreign Affairs, and
6. Creates a new legal identity for the EU whereby the EU and not the UK will represent the people of Britain internationally in many areas of international and internal EU matters, and
7. Removes the British veto in a number of key areas
surely the new Treaty should be submitted for ratification by the entire electorate of the United Kingdom in the same way as the Irish will have the opportunity to ratify or reject it ?
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| Topic | Date Posted | Posted By |
| Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 23/06/07 18:27:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 23/06/07 18:42:00 | Jerry Makides |
| Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 23/06/07 18:46:00 | Jan Jarvis |
| Re:Re:Ireland to hold Referendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 23/06/07 18:49:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Referendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 23/06/07 19:06:00 | Helen Fogarth |
| Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Referendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 23/06/07 19:10:00 | Jan Jarvis |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Referendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 23/06/07 19:17:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Referendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 23/06/07 22:02:00 | Jan Jarvis |
| media manipulation | 23/06/07 22:18:00 | Jerry Makides |
| Re:media manipulation | 25/06/07 11:18:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Referendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 25/06/07 12:23:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 24/06/07 09:24:00 | Peter G Boardman |
| Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 24/06/07 10:21:00 | Peter John |
| Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 24/06/07 22:03:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 25/06/07 12:36:00 | Will Watson |
| Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 25/06/07 13:46:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 25/06/07 13:54:00 | Helen Fogarth |
| After Iraq, can we trust Blair anymore ? | 25/06/07 14:28:00 | David Giles |
| Re:After Iraq, can we trust Blair anymore ? | 25/06/07 14:49:00 | Jonathan Bingham |
| Re:Re:After Iraq, can we trust Blair anymore ? | 25/06/07 17:09:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:After Iraq, can we trust Blair anymore ? | 25/06/07 17:24:00 | Will Watson |
| Re:A form of democracy | 25/06/07 17:44:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Re:A form of democracy | 25/06/07 17:56:00 | Will Watson |
| Re:After Iraq, can we trust Blair anymore ? | 25/06/07 17:50:00 | John Mc Cann |
| Re:Re:After Iraq, can we trust Blair anymore ? | 25/06/07 17:53:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 25/06/07 14:31:00 | Will Watson |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 25/06/07 14:37:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| A shift in sovereignty | 25/06/07 14:54:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| “The proposals that we dare not present to them directly” | 25/06/07 15:11:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| “Psychological terrorists” and the “new form of democracy” | 25/06/07 15:29:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Britain has not had a Referendum on Europe since 6th June 1975 | 25/06/07 18:12:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Britain has not had a Referendum on Europe since 6th June 1975 | 25/06/07 19:53:00 | Guy Lambert |
| Same old conservatives | 26/06/07 09:15:00 | Stephen Thornton |
| It's not about the Conservatives | 26/06/07 11:27:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:Same old conservatives | 26/06/07 13:19:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Same old conservatives | 26/06/07 14:00:00 | Stephen Thornton |
| Re:Re:Re:Same old conservatives | 26/06/07 16:53:00 | David Giles |
| Re:What we voted on in 1975 | 26/06/07 14:19:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| The devil's in the detail | 26/06/07 16:40:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 26/06/07 20:38:00 | David Giles |
| Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 26/06/07 21:56:00 | John Mc Cann |
| Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 26/06/07 22:20:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 26/06/07 23:01:00 | Jerry Makides |
| Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 08:57:00 | Guy Lambert |
| Responding to Jerry: “The end of democracy” | 27/06/07 12:17:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Responding to Jerry: “totalitarianism” | 27/06/07 12:27:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Responding to Jerry: “Loss of freedom” | 27/06/07 12:36:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Responding to Jerry: The EU, prosperity and peace in Europe | 27/06/07 12:54:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 12:59:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 13:17:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 15:55:00 | Guy Lambert |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 18:02:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 18:53:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 21:39:00 | Guy Lambert |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 21:47:00 | John Mc Cann |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 21:52:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 22:03:00 | John Mc Cann |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It maybe called a Treaty but its the same Constitution | 27/06/07 22:54:00 | Guy Lambert |
| Legal opinion wanted | 27/06/07 23:16:00 | Peter John |
| Re:Legal opinion wanted | 27/06/07 23:40:00 | John Mc Cann |
| Re:Re:Legal opinion wanted | 28/06/07 09:57:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:Re:Re:Legal opinion wanted | 28/06/07 10:52:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Legal opinion wanted | 28/06/07 12:36:00 | Colin Jordan |
| The threat to the British Constitution and Parliament | 28/06/07 17:46:00 | David Giles |
| Re:The threat to the British Constitution and Parliament | 28/06/07 22:33:00 | Guy Lambert |
| Re:Re:The threat to the British Constitution and Parliament | 29/06/07 00:05:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Legal opinion wanted | 29/06/07 11:08:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Legal opinion wanted | 29/06/07 12:22:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| A Good Week to Bury Really Bad News | 29/06/07 17:59:00 | David Giles |
| Labour Party calls for Referendum | 30/06/07 17:22:00 | David Giles |
| Trade Union calls for Referendum | 11/07/07 20:24:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Trade Union calls for Referendum | 16/10/07 22:02:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 04/07/07 19:35:00 | Peter G Boardman |
| Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 04/07/07 20:36:00 | Helen Fogarth |
| Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 04/07/07 22:25:00 | Will Watson |
| Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 05/07/07 08:25:00 | Peter John |
| Re:Re:Re:Ireland to hold Refendum on new EU Treaty - should the UK ? | 05/07/07 18:46:00 | David Giles |
| EU to pay Wine Producers to give up producing bad wine | 06/07/07 18:14:00 | David Giles |
| For Guy: France, Germany and the stability pact | 12/07/07 11:19:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:For Guy: France, Germany and the stability pact | 12/07/07 12:22:00 | Guy Lambert |
| Britain's Seat on the UN Security Council | 05/08/07 20:07:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Britain's Seat on the UN Security Council | 05/08/07 20:29:00 | Colin Jordan |
| Re:Re:For Guy: France, Germany and the stability pact | 06/08/07 15:12:00 | David Giles |
| Can we trust Gordon Brown on this issue ? | 15/10/07 18:36:00 | David Giles |
| Referendum | 17/10/07 09:22:00 | Brendan McCarthy |