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Topic: Re:Re:Brexit benefits
Posted by: Francis Rowe
Date/Time: 21/05/23 13:46:00

I thought Brexiteers were no longer using the 'sovereignty' stick ever since the plight of the Ukrainians and their overwhelming desire to join the EU made the meaning of the word clear to those who had previously been slow on the uptake.

A modern democracy integrated with the global economy will accept rules laid down from a whole host of supranational bodies and will obey rules that have not been created by their domestic parliament or legal process. This happens if you are a member of NATO, the WTO and even UEFA and applies if you want to do anything in an international arena such as fly planes. The sovereign act is choosing to join these organisations and sovereignty is in no way diluted by it.

Brexit has failed because ultimately it was impractical for us to be a club of one in international trade. In 99% of cases we remain bound by the EU rules that applied beforehand and divergence has proven to be impossible not least because of the strain it would place at the land border the UK has with the UK on the island of Ireland. The Windsor Framework recognises that there will never be a meaningful difference between rules that apply in the UK and the EU. Arguably our sovereignty has been diminished by leaving the EU because we no longer have any influence over how these rules are made.

As Ukraine has categorically demonstrated, being in the EU strengthens a nation's sovereignty rather than diminishes it . It is disappointing that some people have failed to understand this aspect of what they are fighting for.


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         Re:Brexit benefits19/05/23 17:15:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:Brexit benefits21/05/23 13:46:00 Francis Rowe
               Re:Re:Re:Brexit benefits21/05/23 15:23:00 Richard Greenhough
                  Re:Brexit benefits21/05/23 19:02:00 John Whitworth
                     Re:Re:Brexit benefits22/05/23 07:58:00 Francis Rowe
                        Re:Re:Re:Brexit benefits22/05/23 08:56:00 Alastair Banton
                        Re:Brexit benefits22/05/23 09:25:00 John Whitworth
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