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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!
Posted by: Alan Clark
Date/Time: 21/12/18 08:32:00

Perhaps the commons has always been like this - but surely in the run up to potentially a national crisis we should expect better. And as a no deal exit becomes more and more likely, be in no doubt this is the months leading up to a national crisis.
There is a lot of bad thinking going on about ‘no deal’ and WTO trading terms. Arch dimwits like Leadsom are still promoting a notion of ‘managed no deal exit’ – a contradiction in terms if ever there was one. I read the recent speech by Sir Ivan Rogers and it offers some good explanations of the issues here. A couple of extracts to help the equally reality challenged contributors to this forum.
“If moving beyond WTO terms with major markets represents a major step FORWARD in liberalising trade, then deliberately moving back to WTO terms from an existing deep preferential agreement – which is what the Single Market is – represents a major step BACKWARD to less free trade.” Which means we would be very aggressively inhibiting UK trade and exports, and practically destroying services trade. Which, and I do feel it necessary to explain this very simply, will directly and rapidly lead to a very deep and very long recession for the UK. Most likely significantly worse than that created by the financial crisis of 2008/9.
“Market access into the EU WILL worsen, whatever post exit deal we eventually strike. And the quantum by which our trade flows with the EU will diminish – and that impacts immediately – will outweigh the economic impact of greater market opening which we have to aim to achieve over time in other markets, where the impact will not be immediate but incremental.” Which means an abrupt and near complete cessation of trade (i.e. a hard exit) will have the hardest possible impact. Please do not take comfort in the term incremental – it means very long and slow. Which directly equates to the recovery from the recession we will create. Very, very long and slow. Decades.
“If we lurch, despite Parliament wishing to avoid it, towards a “no deal”, with delusions it can be “managed” into a quick and dirty FTA, that will not end happily or quickly.
I am in no position to second guess those who have to try and model the macro effects of such a scenario. No developed country has left a trade bloc before, let alone in disorderly fashion, and let alone one which has become a lot more than a trade bloc.
But I do fully understand the legal realities. And because so-called “WTO rules” deliver precisely no continuity in multiple key sectors of the economy, we could expect disruption on a scale and of a length that no-one has experienced in the developed world in the last couple of generations.”
Please read that last sentence again if you are in any doubt about the consequences of a no deal exit.


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How others see us.  Be very ashamed.12/12/18 22:52:00 Alastair Banton
   Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.12/12/18 23:29:00 Michael Brown
      Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.12/12/18 23:39:00 David McLoughlin
         Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.12/12/18 23:49:00 Julian Pavey
         Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.12/12/18 23:58:00 Jennifer Selig
            Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 09:31:00 James Smith-Jones
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 09:47:00 Alastair Banton
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 10:13:00 Ken Munn
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 10:33:00 Jane Kay Etherington
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 10:43:00 James Smith-Jones
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 11:17:00 Paul Fisher
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 11:20:00 Robert Fish
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 11:40:00 Alan Clark
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 11:48:00 Paul Fisher
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 13:19:00 Ken Munn
                           Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 17:37:00 Loraine Pemberton
                              Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 17:53:00 Ken Munn
                                 Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 18:23:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 23:42:00 Ken Munn
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 11:54:00 Janice Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 12:10:00 Janice Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 12:23:00 Robert Fish
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 12:35:00 Janice Evans
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 12:43:00 Julian Pavey
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 12:49:00 Paul Fisher
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 12:58:00 Robert Fish
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 13:02:00 Paul Fisher
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 13:12:00 Robert Fish
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 13:18:00 Paul Fisher
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 12:42:00 Robert Fish
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 12:56:00 Janice Evans
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 13:00:00 Paul Fisher
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 13:02:00 Janice Evans
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 13:06:00 Robert Fish
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 13:09:00 Janice Evans
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 00:02:00 Alan Clark
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 09:17:00 Janice Evans
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 09:18:00 Janice Evans
                                 Migration control13/12/18 13:24:00 Ken Munn
                                    Re:Migration control13/12/18 13:36:00 Paul Fisher
                                       Re:Re:Migration control13/12/18 13:52:00 Janice Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Migration control13/12/18 13:57:00 Janice Evans
                                       Re:Re:Migration control13/12/18 16:47:00 Ken Munn
                                          Re:Re:Re:Migration control14/12/18 09:45:00 Janice Evans
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Migration control14/12/18 11:22:00 Ken Munn
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Migration control14/12/18 11:33:00 Robert Fish
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Migration control14/12/18 12:50:00 Ken Munn
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Migration control14/12/18 15:32:00 Philippa Bond
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 12:48:00 James Smith-Jones
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 12:51:00 Paul Fisher
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 12:59:00 Janice Evans
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 13:00:00 Janice Evans
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 13:18:00 Janice Evans
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 13:26:00 Ken Munn
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 13:35:00 Janice Evans
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.13/12/18 19:37:00 Claire Moran
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 07:31:00 James Smith-Jones
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 08:15:00 Paul Fisher
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 14:09:00 James Smith-Jones
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 14:28:00 Paul Fisher
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 14:43:00 James Smith-Jones
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 10:17:00 Janice Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 10:21:00 Janice Evans
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 10:28:00 Paul Fisher
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 10:34:00 Janice Evans
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 10:39:00 T P Howell
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 10:46:00 Janice Evans
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 11:28:00 Ken Munn
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 11:29:00 Janice Evans
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 11:35:00 Janice Evans
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 11:59:00 Janice Evans
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 16:13:00 Brian Coyle
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 16:40:00 Robert Fish
                                                               Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 16:18:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                  Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 16:29:00 James Roy
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 16:38:00 Robert Fish
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 16:46:00 James Roy
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 16:51:00 Robert Fish
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 16:58:00 James Roy
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 18:39:00 Robert Fish
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 18:42:00 Robert Fish
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 19:00:00 Claire Moran
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 16:28:00 Robert Fish
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 18:41:00 Michael Brown
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.14/12/18 23:58:00 Claire Moran
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.15/12/18 10:27:00 Robert Fish
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.15/12/18 00:05:00 Ken Munn
   Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.16/12/18 18:18:00 Juliet Hogg
      Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.17/12/18 13:24:00 Brian Coyle
         Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.17/12/18 13:25:00 Ken Munn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.17/12/18 14:14:00 Alan Clark
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.17/12/18 16:12:00 Steve Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.17/12/18 17:15:00 James Roy
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.17/12/18 17:26:00 Brian Coyle
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.17/12/18 18:14:00 Ken Munn
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.17/12/18 22:23:00 Alan Clark
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.18/12/18 12:58:00 Brian Coyle
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.18/12/18 13:07:00 Ken Munn
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.18/12/18 13:25:00 Paul Fisher
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.18/12/18 14:52:00 Ken Munn
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.18/12/18 19:14:00 Claire Moran
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.18/12/18 19:27:00 Ken Munn
                              Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.18/12/18 13:08:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.18/12/18 13:04:00 Steve Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.18/12/18 13:50:00 Brian Coyle
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.18/12/18 14:57:00 Alastair Banton
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.18/12/18 14:59:00 Alan Clark
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.18/12/18 18:32:00 Paul Fisher
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.18/12/18 19:08:00 Alan Clark
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.18/12/18 20:00:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.18/12/18 21:53:00 Bernard Allen
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 08:54:00 Paul Fisher
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.18/12/18 22:26:00 Alan Clark
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 05:05:00 Paul Fisher
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 08:14:00 Alan Clark
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 08:23:00 Paul Fisher
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 08:44:00 Ken Munn
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 08:23:00 Alan Clark
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 09:43:00 James Smith-Jones
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 09:51:00 James Smith-Jones
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 10:09:00 Michael Brown
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 10:13:00 Ken Munn
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 10:30:00 Michael Brown
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 10:50:00 Ken Munn
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 10:54:00 Michael Brown
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 11:07:00 Will Watson
                                                                  A second vote19/12/18 11:18:00 Ken Munn
                                                                     Re:A second vote19/12/18 11:32:00 Michael Brown
                                                                        Re:Re:A second vote19/12/18 11:37:00 Will Watson
                                                                        Re:Re:A second vote19/12/18 11:37:00 Michael Brown
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:A second vote19/12/18 16:35:00 Ken Munn
                                                                        Re:Re:A second vote19/12/18 11:38:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                  Re::Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 11:40:00 Steve Taylor
                                                      ReRe:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 11:37:00 Steve Taylor
                                                         Re:ReRe:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 11:42:00 Brian Coyle
                                                            Re:Re:ReRe:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 11:59:00 Michael Brown
                                                               Re::Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 12:15:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                  Re:Re::Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 12:18:00 Michael Brown
                                                                     Re:Re:Re::Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 12:49:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                     Re:Re:Re::Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 12:51:00 James Smith-Jones
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 13:03:00 Michael Brown
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 13:14:00 James Smith-Jones
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 13:21:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 13:26:00 Michael Brown
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 16:06:00 Alan Clark
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 16:15:00 Michael Brown
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 16:20:00 Alan Clark
                                                                                       Re::Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 16:22:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                          Re:Re::Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 16:35:00 Michael Brown
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re::Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 17:12:00 James Smith-Jones
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re::Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 17:20:00 Alan Clark
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re::Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 17:29:00 James Smith-Jones
   Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 17:52:00 James Smith-Jones
      Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 18:46:00 Janice Evans
         Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 19:32:00 Robert Fish
            Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 19:37:00 Janice Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 19:44:00 Michael Brown
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.19/12/18 20:05:00 Janice Evans
                     Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!20/12/18 16:14:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!20/12/18 17:06:00 Alan Clark
                           Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!20/12/18 18:08:00 Ken Munn
                        Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!20/12/18 18:07:00 Ken Munn
                           Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!20/12/18 21:00:00 Janice Evans
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 08:32:00 Alan Clark
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 09:41:00 James Smith-Jones
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 11:36:00 Janice Evans
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 11:44:00 Janice Evans
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 12:17:00 Janice Evans
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 13:00:00 Alan Clark
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 13:09:00 Janice Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 15:22:00 Alan Clark
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 15:31:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 16:03:00 Ken Munn
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 15:33:00 Janice Evans
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 15:41:00 Alan Clark
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 15:51:00 Janice Evans
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 15:52:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 15:58:00 Janice Evans
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 16:02:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 16:10:00 Janice Evans
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 16:32:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 16:53:00 Janice Evans
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 16:58:00 Alan Clark
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 17:31:00 Janice Evans
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 17:40:00 Janice Evans
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 19:22:00 Paul Fisher
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 20:52:00 Janice Evans
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 21:43:00 Janice Evans
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 22:02:00 Janice Evans
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 22:59:00 Janice Evans
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!21/12/18 23:56:00 Alan Clark
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 08:12:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 08:49:00 Ken Munn
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 13:13:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 15:37:00 Alan Clark
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 16:28:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 19:19:00 Ken Munn
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 19:40:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 19:16:00 Ken Munn
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 19:21:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 19:27:00 Alan Clark
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 22:36:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 22:39:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 22:51:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 23:03:00 Alan Clark
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!23/12/18 17:38:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!23/12/18 18:52:00 Alan Clark
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!23/12/18 19:27:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!23/12/18 19:41:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!23/12/18 20:23:00 Steve Taylor
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!24/12/18 08:31:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                        Re: is Janice a robot?23/12/18 23:45:00 Alan Clark
                                                                                                                           Re:Re: is Janice a robot?24/12/18 11:11:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re: is Janice a robot?24/12/18 11:54:00 Alastair Banton
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re: is Janice a robot?24/12/18 12:06:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: is Janice a robot?24/12/18 12:25:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                            Fishing22/12/18 23:54:00 Ken Munn
                                                                                                               Re:Fishing24/12/18 11:20:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Fishing24/12/18 23:02:00 Ken Munn
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 22:43:00 Alan Clark
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 23:57:00 Ken Munn
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!23/12/18 08:14:00 Alan Clark
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!23/12/18 11:43:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!23/12/18 11:45:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!23/12/18 12:06:00 Alan Clark
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!23/12/18 20:45:00 Janice Evans
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 19:44:00 Ken Munn
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Andrea Leadsom - out of touch with the real world !!22/12/18 10:28:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
   I particularly liked...22/12/18 08:47:00 Ken Munn
      Re:I particularly liked...22/12/18 11:44:00 Bernard Allen
         Re:Re:I particularly liked...24/12/18 13:00:00 Janice Evans
            Re:Re:Re:I particularly liked...24/12/18 13:10:00 Janice Evans
         Re:Re:I particularly liked...24/12/18 23:55:00 Alan Clark
      Re:I particularly liked...22/12/18 13:15:00 Janice Evans
         Re:Re:I particularly liked...22/12/18 13:25:00 Janice Evans
            Re:Re:Re:I particularly liked...22/12/18 13:30:00 Janice Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Re:I particularly liked...22/12/18 19:46:00 Ken Munn
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I particularly liked...22/12/18 20:25:00 Janice Evans
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I particularly liked...22/12/18 23:48:00 Ken Munn
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I particularly liked...23/12/18 06:48:00 Alastair Banton
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I particularly liked...23/12/18 06:52:00 Alastair Banton
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I particularly liked...23/12/18 07:00:00 Janice Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I particularly liked...23/12/18 06:56:00 Janice Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I particularly liked...23/12/18 06:54:00 Janice Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I particularly liked...23/12/18 07:16:00 Janice Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I particularly liked...23/12/18 11:38:00 Janice Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I particularly liked...23/12/18 11:47:00 Janice Evans
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I particularly liked...24/12/18 18:15:00 Ken Munn
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:I particularly liked...24/12/18 18:20:00 Janice Evans
   What I particularly did not like24/12/18 08:19:00 Alan Clark
   Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.26/12/18 06:24:00 John Hayes
   Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.26/12/18 12:23:00 John Hayes
   Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.26/12/18 12:34:00 John Hayes
      Re:Re:How others see us.  Be very ashamed.26/12/18 14:57:00 Steve Taylor

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