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Topic: Re:Inflation now on the up
Posted by: Fraser Pearce
Date/Time: 18/10/16 10:36:00

“Why were the Germans keen on the euro, as a part of the European project and to suport trade across the block.”

- Not quite.

The French threatened to block German unification unless Germany agreed to a single European currency (there was also the German CDU Party finance issue).

In for a pfennig, in for a Euro, the Germans relented – on the proviso the euro would be run along the lines of the Deutschmark.

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“Perhaps naievly that did not foresee the impact of financial crises.....but part of the problem is that the Germans dont want a weak euro so have constantly limited the ECB's scope for action.”

- The Bundesbank was even more anti-single currency than the Bank of England, pointing out what would later happen to the likes of Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece - plus the eventual need for debt mutualisation, economic, financial and fiscal union to fix such problems.

As a fudge, the British therefore suggested retaining national currencies and making them all legal tender within the core EU countries (i.e. the Franc, Lira, Sterling, Deutschmark, etc, all being legal tender across as many as 13 countries).

In Brussels, however, financial crises were viewed as an opportunity to help drive ‘ever closer union’.*



*…Thus spake Romano Prodi, then head of the European Commission:

“I am sure the Euro will oblige us to introduce a new set of economic policy instruments. It is politically impossible to propose that now. But some day there will be a crisis and new instruments will be created.”

Since then, the EU’s been quite open in its plans to create a new EU where economic, financial, fiscal and political power reside in Brussels.

In 2013, a working draft of the next treaty was drawn up by the Spinelli Group.

In summer 2015, the EU’s Five Presidents' Report was published – outlining the plan for completing economic and monetary union, plus political union - by 2025 “at the latest”.

This plan was re-confirmed in September 2015 in the Commission President’s state of the union report.

By Spring next year, we can expect more detail in a white paper.

…Strangely, such proposals barely got a mention in UK referendum debate, and were instead overshadowed by strawmen such as the “£350 million” issue.



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"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 14/10/16 12:31:00 Ann Williams
   Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 14/10/16 12:33:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 14/10/16 12:40:00 Alan Clark
         Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we could have an extra £350m a week for the NHS" 14/10/16 12:49:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:"If we leave the EU we could have an extra £350m a week for the NHS" 14/10/16 14:31:00 John Whitworth
      Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 14/10/16 12:40:00 Mark Perry
         Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 14/10/16 12:42:00 Penelope Crocker
      Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 14/10/16 12:54:00 Ann Williams
         Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 14/10/16 13:02:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 14/10/16 13:09:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 14/10/16 13:10:00 Penelope Crocker
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 14/10/16 13:28:00 Ann Williams
                     Re:"If we leave the EU we COULD have an extra £350m a WEEK for the NHS" 14/10/16 14:28:00 Richard Greenhough
                        Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we COULD have an extra £350m a WEEK for the NHS" 14/10/16 16:59:00 Vanessa Smith
                        Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we *insert fabrication here*"15/10/16 08:56:00 Alan Clark
                        Re:"If we leave the EU we could have an extra £350m a week for the NHS"16/10/16 16:11:00 John Whitworth
                           Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we could have an extra £350m a week for the NHS"16/10/16 16:26:00 Carl Wynne
   Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 14/10/16 17:57:00 Denis Fox
      Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 14/10/16 18:32:00 Ken Munn
         Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 14/10/16 19:41:00 Brian Coyle
   Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 15/10/16 11:04:00 Denis Fox
      Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 15/10/16 11:12:00 Denis Fox
   Re:"If we join the Common Market there will be no dilution of our sovereignty"15/10/16 11:05:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:"If we join the Common Market there will be no dilution of our sovereignty"15/10/16 11:33:00 Vanessa Smith
         Re:Re:Re:"If we join the Common Market there will be no dilution of our sovereignty"15/10/16 11:45:00 Brian Coyle
            Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we join the Common Market there will be no dilution of our sovereignty"15/10/16 12:08:00 Alan Clark
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we join the Common Market there will be no dilution of our sovereignty"15/10/16 12:18:00 Paul Green
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we join the Common Market there will be no dilution of our sovereignty"15/10/16 12:54:00 Vanessa Smith
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we join the Common Market there will be no dilution of our sovereignty"15/10/16 13:22:00 Paul Green
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we join the Common Market there will be no dilution of our sovereignty"15/10/16 13:29:00 Carl Wynne
      Sovereignty15/10/16 13:38:00 John Whitworth
         Re:Sovereignty15/10/16 14:23:00 Paul Green
            Sovereignty, what sovereignty?15/10/16 15:14:00 Ken Munn
               Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty?15/10/16 15:28:00 Vanessa Smith
                  Re:Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty?15/10/16 15:33:00 Viv Griffiths
                     Re:Re:Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty?15/10/16 16:26:00 Carl Wynne
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty?15/10/16 16:31:00 Viv Griffiths
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty?15/10/16 16:38:00 Carl Wynne
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty?15/10/16 17:44:00 Richard Greenhough
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty?15/10/16 18:01:00 Carl Wynne
                                 Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty?16/10/16 12:35:00 John Whitworth
                                    Re:Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty?16/10/16 13:38:00 Ann Williams
         Re:Sovereignty15/10/16 15:35:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Sovereignty15/10/16 16:13:00 John Whitworth
               Re:Re:Sovereignty15/10/16 17:36:00 Paul Green
   Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 16/10/16 17:12:00 V Killick
      Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 16/10/16 17:50:00 Carl Wynne
      Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 16/10/16 17:53:00 Adrian Irving
         Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 16/10/16 18:12:00 Russell Pearson
            Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 16/10/16 18:35:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 16/10/16 19:46:00 Russell Pearson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 16/10/16 23:55:00 Ken Munn
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 17/10/16 11:24:00 Paul Green
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 17/10/16 11:32:00 Paul Green
                        Re:Currencies17/10/16 11:42:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:Currencies17/10/16 12:12:00 Paul Green
                              We haven't got a plan so nothing can go wrong!17/10/16 18:24:00 T P Howell
   Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 18/10/16 00:16:00 Dennis Brogan
      Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" 18/10/16 00:33:00 Ken Munn
         Re:Small nations club18/10/16 09:12:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Small nations club18/10/16 09:30:00 John Whitworth
            Re:Re:Small nations club18/10/16 09:31:00 Paul Green
               Inflation now on the up18/10/16 09:34:00 Paul Green
                  Re:Inflation now on the up18/10/16 10:27:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                  Re:Inflation now on the up18/10/16 10:36:00 Fraser Pearce
                     Re:Re:Inflation now on the up18/10/16 11:09:00 Paul Green
                     Re:Re:Inflation now on the up18/10/16 11:10:00 Fraser Pearce
                        Re:Re:Re:Inflation now on the up18/10/16 11:20:00 Paul Green
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Inflation now on the up18/10/16 11:29:00 Russell Pearson
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Inflation now on the up18/10/16 11:40:00 Fraser Pearce
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Inflation now on the up18/10/16 11:44:00 Fraser Pearce
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Inflation now on the up18/10/16 11:46:00 Paul Green
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Inflation now on the up18/10/16 11:51:00 Fraser Pearce

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