RG > "Can anyone remember the actual date when Ted Heath..."
That is not the topic under discussion. What you are doing is called 'changing the subject'.
However, the question of sovereignty is an important issue. It was explicitly covered in the 1975 referendum pamphlet under the heading 'Will parliament lose its power?'. Here it is:
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WILL PARLIAMENT
LOSE ITS POWER?
Another anxiety expressed about Britain's membership of the Common Market is that Parliament could lose its supremacy, and we would have to obey laws passed by unelected 'faceless bureaucrats' sitting in their headquarters in Brussels.
What are the facts?
Fact No. 1 is that in the modern world even the Super Powers like America and Russia do not have complete freedom of action. Medium-sized nations like Britain are more and more subject to economic and political forces we cannot control on our own.
A striking recent example of the impact of such forces is the way the Arab oil-producing nations brought about an energy and financial crisis not only in Britain but throughout a great part of the world.
Since we cannot go it alone in the modern world, Britain has for years been a member of international groupings like the United Nations, NATO and the International Monetary Fund.
Membership of such groupings imposes both rights and duties, but has not deprived us of our national identity, or changed our way of life.
Membership of the Common Market also imposes new rights and duties on Britain, but does not deprive us of our national identity. To say that membership could force Britain to eat Euro-bread or drink Euro-beer is nonsense.
Fact No. 2. No important new policy can be decided in Brussels or anywhere else without the consent of a British Minister answerable to a British Government and British Parliament.
The top decision-making body in the Market is the Council of Ministers, which is composed of senior Ministers representing each of the nine member governments.
It is the Council of Ministers, and not the market's officials, who take the important decisions. These decisions can be taken only if all the members of the Council agree. The Minister representing Britain can veto any proposal for a new law or a new tax if he considers it to be against British interests. Ministers from the other Governments have the same right to veto.
All the nine member countries also agree that any changes or additions to the Market Treaties must be acceptable to their own Governments and Parliaments.
Remember: All the other countries in the Market today enjoy, like us, democratically elected Governments answerable to their own Parliaments and their own voters. They do not want to weaken their Parliaments any more than we would.
Fact No. 3. The British Parliament in Westminster retains the final right to repeal the Act which took us into the Market on January 1, 1973. Thus our continued membership will depend on the continuing assent of Parliament.
The White Paper on the new Market terms recently presented to Parliament by the Prime Minister declares that through membership of the Market we are better able to advance and protect our national interests. This is the essence of sovereignty.
Fact No. 4. On April 9, 1975, the House of Commons voted by 396 to 170 in favour of staying in on the new terms.
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Notice the fact-based presentation and the lack of weasel words?
In 1975, the UK voted 67.2% to 32.8% to stay in the European Community (the Common Market).
In 2016, the principal argument put forward by the Vote Leave campaign was immigration, and it is this which is dominating the exit strategy. Cost of membership (the original subject of this thread) and sovereignty (the issue now raised by RG) came well behind.
Were we given a clear and well-evidenced case showing that immigration is harming the UK? No! In fact, the Vote Leave campaign concluded that "Many immigrants contribute to our society. They also affect public services. Experts disagree on the overall effect."
Weasel words.
Yet the UK voted 51.9% to 48.1% to leave the European Union.
I'd best stop now. |
| Topic | Date Posted | Posted By |
| "If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 14/10/16 12:31:00 | Ann Williams |
| Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 14/10/16 12:33:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 14/10/16 12:40:00 | Alan Clark |
| Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we could have an extra £350m a week for the NHS" | 14/10/16 12:49:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:"If we leave the EU we could have an extra £350m a week for the NHS" | 14/10/16 14:31:00 | John Whitworth |
| Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 14/10/16 12:40:00 | Mark Perry |
| Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 14/10/16 12:42:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 14/10/16 12:54:00 | Ann Williams |
| Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 14/10/16 13:02:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 14/10/16 13:09:00 | Adrian Irving |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 14/10/16 13:10:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 14/10/16 13:28:00 | Ann Williams |
| Re:"If we leave the EU we COULD have an extra £350m a WEEK for the NHS" | 14/10/16 14:28:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we COULD have an extra £350m a WEEK for the NHS" | 14/10/16 16:59:00 | Vanessa Smith |
| Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we *insert fabrication here*" | 15/10/16 08:56:00 | Alan Clark |
| Re:"If we leave the EU we could have an extra £350m a week for the NHS" | 16/10/16 16:11:00 | John Whitworth |
| Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we could have an extra £350m a week for the NHS" | 16/10/16 16:26:00 | Carl Wynne |
| Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 14/10/16 17:57:00 | Denis Fox |
| Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 14/10/16 18:32:00 | Ken Munn |
| Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 14/10/16 19:41:00 | Brian Coyle |
| Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 15/10/16 11:04:00 | Denis Fox |
| Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 15/10/16 11:12:00 | Denis Fox |
| Re:"If we join the Common Market there will be no dilution of our sovereignty" | 15/10/16 11:05:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Re:"If we join the Common Market there will be no dilution of our sovereignty" | 15/10/16 11:33:00 | Vanessa Smith |
| Re:Re:Re:"If we join the Common Market there will be no dilution of our sovereignty" | 15/10/16 11:45:00 | Brian Coyle |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we join the Common Market there will be no dilution of our sovereignty" | 15/10/16 12:08:00 | Alan Clark |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we join the Common Market there will be no dilution of our sovereignty" | 15/10/16 12:18:00 | Paul Green |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we join the Common Market there will be no dilution of our sovereignty" | 15/10/16 12:54:00 | Vanessa Smith |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we join the Common Market there will be no dilution of our sovereignty" | 15/10/16 13:22:00 | Paul Green |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we join the Common Market there will be no dilution of our sovereignty" | 15/10/16 13:29:00 | Carl Wynne |
| Sovereignty | 15/10/16 13:38:00 | John Whitworth |
| Re:Sovereignty | 15/10/16 14:23:00 | Paul Green |
| Sovereignty, what sovereignty? | 15/10/16 15:14:00 | Ken Munn |
| Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty? | 15/10/16 15:28:00 | Vanessa Smith |
| Re:Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty? | 15/10/16 15:33:00 | Viv Griffiths |
| Re:Re:Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty? | 15/10/16 16:26:00 | Carl Wynne |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty? | 15/10/16 16:31:00 | Viv Griffiths |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty? | 15/10/16 16:38:00 | Carl Wynne |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty? | 15/10/16 17:44:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty? | 15/10/16 18:01:00 | Carl Wynne |
| Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty? | 16/10/16 12:35:00 | John Whitworth |
| Re:Re:Sovereignty, what sovereignty? | 16/10/16 13:38:00 | Ann Williams |
| Re:Sovereignty | 15/10/16 15:35:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Sovereignty | 15/10/16 16:13:00 | John Whitworth |
| Re:Re:Sovereignty | 15/10/16 17:36:00 | Paul Green |
| Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 16/10/16 17:12:00 | V Killick |
| Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 16/10/16 17:50:00 | Carl Wynne |
| Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 16/10/16 17:53:00 | Adrian Irving |
| Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 16/10/16 18:12:00 | Russell Pearson |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 16/10/16 18:35:00 | Adrian Irving |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 16/10/16 19:46:00 | Russell Pearson |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 16/10/16 23:55:00 | Ken Munn |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 17/10/16 11:24:00 | Paul Green |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 17/10/16 11:32:00 | Paul Green |
| Re:Currencies | 17/10/16 11:42:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Re:Currencies | 17/10/16 12:12:00 | Paul Green |
| We haven't got a plan so nothing can go wrong! | 17/10/16 18:24:00 | T P Howell |
| Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 18/10/16 00:16:00 | Dennis Brogan |
| Re:Re:"If we leave the EU we'll have an extra £350m a day for the National Health service" | 18/10/16 00:33:00 | Ken Munn |
| Re:Small nations club | 18/10/16 09:12:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Small nations club | 18/10/16 09:30:00 | John Whitworth |
| Re:Re:Small nations club | 18/10/16 09:31:00 | Paul Green |
| Inflation now on the up | 18/10/16 09:34:00 | Paul Green |
| Re:Inflation now on the up | 18/10/16 10:27:00 | Huw Burford-Taylor |
| Re:Inflation now on the up | 18/10/16 10:36:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:Re:Inflation now on the up | 18/10/16 11:09:00 | Paul Green |
| Re:Re:Inflation now on the up | 18/10/16 11:10:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:Re:Re:Inflation now on the up | 18/10/16 11:20:00 | Paul Green |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Inflation now on the up | 18/10/16 11:29:00 | Russell Pearson |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Inflation now on the up | 18/10/16 11:40:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Inflation now on the up | 18/10/16 11:44:00 | Fraser Pearce |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Inflation now on the up | 18/10/16 11:46:00 | Paul Green |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Inflation now on the up | 18/10/16 11:51:00 | Fraser Pearce |