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Topic: Re:Re:Comprehensive Schools - What Evidence ?
Posted by: David Giles
Date/Time: 21/02/12 18:51:00

Nicheal

Like Sam, I tried to find what part of the Report supported your conclusion.

On the contrary I found that the Report rated Britain 26th best out of the 34 countries in the survey in terms of ensuring that students complete their secondary education. Given the fact that the vast majority of students in this country - for the time being at least - attend comprehensive schools, that is hardly an endorsement of the British comprehensive school system. Everytime I look at an OECD or similar report, I find that educational achievement in the British comprehensive school system continues to decline while other countries are improving standards year on year.

The Report does say:

"09/02/2012 - "Governments should invest more in disadvantaged schools and students to ensure that everyone gets a fair chance" , according to a new OECD report entitled "Equity and Quality in Education: Supporting Disadvantaged Students and Schools".  The Report says "that helping those in need would reduce school failure, boost economic growth and contribute to a fairer society."

" Today, many students lack basic skills, as measured by PISA, and one in five students on average across the OECD drops out of the education system before finishing upper secondary. Dropout rates range from 2% in Korea to 58% in Turkey for the 25-34 years-old. Greece, Iceland, Italy, Mexico, Portugal and Spain  have dropout rates of 25% and higher. Leaving school this early means that students lack the skills they need in today’s job market", says the OECD.




"Those more likely to underperform or leave school without qualification are most often from poor or immigrant families, or have poorly educated parents (Figure 1.3). They are also more likely to attend schools with fewer resources, and their parents generally cannot afford private tutoring.

"The report outlines five recommendations for improving equity in education systems to help disadvantaged students:

"1. Eliminate grade repetition. This is costly and ineffective. In Belgium, the Netherlands, Portugal and Spain, the direct costs of grade repetition account for nearly 10% of the annual spending on primary and secondary education. The academic benefits are also slight and short-lived.
"2. Avoid early tracking which hurts students moved on to lower tracks, without raising student performance as a whole.

"3. Manage school choice to avoid segregation. Over the past 25 years, more than two-thirds of OECD countries have increased parental school choice, particularly via government-dependent private schools. Financial incentives could encourage the best schools to take disadvantaged students.

"4. Allocate funding according to student needs, and invest in early ages. Most OECD countries under-spend on early childhood education and care, investing nearly 2.5 times more in tertiary. In addition to targeting spending at disadvantaged students and schools, giving schools more autonomy coupled with accountability can help.

"5. Encourage students to complete by improving the quality of secondary-level vocational training courses, including work-based training and making the different secondary pathways equivalent."

None of this is particulary new, profound or surprising. I seem to remember arriving at similar conclusions myself many years ago as first year undergraduate. It certainly does not amount to an endorsement of the British comprehensive school system.

But come to think of it, not even the Labour Party believes in comprehensive schools anymore !



Entire Thread
TopicDate PostedPosted By
Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence21/02/12 00:01:00 Michael Sterne
   Re:Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence21/02/12 13:12:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
      Re:Re:Comprehensive Schools - What Evidence ?21/02/12 18:51:00 David Giles
         Re:Re:Re:Comprehensive Schools - What Evidence ?21/02/12 20:37:00 Tom Pike
   Re:Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence21/02/12 21:39:00 Juliet Golz
      Re:Re:Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence21/02/12 23:17:00 David Giles
         Re:Re:Re:Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence23/02/12 13:20:00 Tom Pike
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence23/02/12 15:37:00 Michael Daley
               Independent Schools' Expenditure23/02/12 15:43:00 Michael Sterne
                  Re:Independent Schools' Expenditure23/02/12 17:33:00 Michael Daley
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence23/02/12 18:53:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence23/02/12 20:50:00 Tom Pike
   Re:Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence22/02/12 00:38:00 Michael Sterne
      Britain dropped down the PISA rankings during New Labour’s period in office.22/02/12 13:54:00 David Giles
         It's not about party politics22/02/12 14:03:00 Michael Sterne
            Re:It's not about party politics23/02/12 14:31:00 Maire Lowe
               Streaming23/02/12 15:27:00 Michael Sterne
                  Re:Streaming23/02/12 16:08:00 Maire Lowe
               Re:Re:It's not about party politics23/02/12 15:55:00 David Giles
                  Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics23/02/12 16:01:00 David Roberts
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics23/02/12 17:34:00 Ellen Houghton
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics24/02/12 00:06:00 David Giles
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics24/02/12 08:39:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics24/02/12 09:57:00 Paul Green
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics24/02/12 10:04:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Better Schools24/02/12 11:17:00 Michael Sterne
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics24/02/12 11:45:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics24/02/12 12:27:00 Paul Green
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics24/02/12 13:06:00 Tom Pike

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