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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence
Posted by: Tom Pike
Date/Time: 23/02/12 18:53:00

Michael,

A very reasonable check! In fact the figures I used are for education as a whole, and so what's really needed here is the breakdown for primary and secondary education by state and private funding.

OECD have put these here: http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DatasetCode=RFIN2

In 2008 the €6.5 bn spent on independent private institutions was 11% of the total spending of €60 bn.  Hence for the 6.3% in private institutions, the spend per student is 1.7 times higher. The €6.5 bn is spent on about 600,000 privately educated pupils, or around €11k a pupil. That seems a more reasonable number than €27.5k and should be compared to €6.5k spent for state students.

Latymer is indeed a successful private school. OECD are trying to tease out what exactly is a successful school system.  The question is not whether students from a particular school performed well on the PISA test, but how similar students in different schools within the UK, and indeed across the world fared. For the UK, 77% of the difference in performance between schools is explained by the average socioeconomic background of the students in the school. After Luxembourg, this is the second highest value in the developed world!

The major effect of paying school fees in the UK is that your child will be educated alongside students from a privileged socioeconomic background, and this gives a very considerable boost to the PISA score of 47 points. This is on top of the 35 points that can be attributed to the individual socioeconomic background of the average fee-paying student - and this would come into play whatever the school. However, strip both of these out and a student educated with the same classmates will on average score 20 points less in a fee-paying school compared to a state school in the UK.

Statistically, as far as PISA scores for the UK independent sector as a whole are concerned, the benefit of school fees comes down mostly to the resulting socio-economic segregation and not any increased quality of teaching. I doubt this is what parents think they are paying for.  


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence21/02/12 00:01:00 Michael Sterne
   Re:Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence21/02/12 13:12:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
      Re:Re:Comprehensive Schools - What Evidence ?21/02/12 18:51:00 David Giles
         Re:Re:Re:Comprehensive Schools - What Evidence ?21/02/12 20:37:00 Tom Pike
   Re:Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence21/02/12 21:39:00 Juliet Golz
      Re:Re:Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence21/02/12 23:17:00 David Giles
         Re:Re:Re:Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence23/02/12 13:20:00 Tom Pike
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence23/02/12 15:37:00 Michael Daley
               Independent Schools' Expenditure23/02/12 15:43:00 Michael Sterne
                  Re:Independent Schools' Expenditure23/02/12 17:33:00 Michael Daley
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence23/02/12 18:53:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence23/02/12 20:50:00 Tom Pike
   Re:Comprehensive Schools - Conclusive Evidence22/02/12 00:38:00 Michael Sterne
      Britain dropped down the PISA rankings during New Labour’s period in office.22/02/12 13:54:00 David Giles
         It's not about party politics22/02/12 14:03:00 Michael Sterne
            Re:It's not about party politics23/02/12 14:31:00 Maire Lowe
               Streaming23/02/12 15:27:00 Michael Sterne
                  Re:Streaming23/02/12 16:08:00 Maire Lowe
               Re:Re:It's not about party politics23/02/12 15:55:00 David Giles
                  Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics23/02/12 16:01:00 David Roberts
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics23/02/12 17:34:00 Ellen Houghton
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics24/02/12 00:06:00 David Giles
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics24/02/12 08:39:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics24/02/12 09:57:00 Paul Green
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics24/02/12 10:04:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Better Schools24/02/12 11:17:00 Michael Sterne
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics24/02/12 11:45:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics24/02/12 12:27:00 Paul Green
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:It's not about party politics24/02/12 13:06:00 Tom Pike

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