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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition
Posted by: Richard Jennings
Date/Time: 15/09/13 12:52:00

"Has anyone FoI'd for older timetables than May this year?  ... Would be interesting to compare to see where this slack is."

whatdotheyknow.com have had LU working timetables since March last year.  But I have several older ones, going back to 2001.

I've just done a quick comparison of the Piccadilly between the current timetable (WTT 50) and the 2001 timetable (WTT 37).  For an off-peak journey from Cockfosters to Hatton Cross, the standard inter-station timings totalled 75.5 minutes in 2001, compared with 80 minutes now.  Odd half-minutes have been added at various points.  I would have expected these to reflect longer stops at crowded zone 1 stations, but with one exception (South Ken to Gloucester Rd increased by ½ minute) they are all at zone 2-5 stations.

But if you look at an individual train, you find extra padding inserted.  I took as a sample the first departure for Heathrow from Cockfosters after midday. In 2001, that train had an extra ½-minute added at Acton Town and another one added at Northfields, thus increasing the overall journey time to 76.5 minutes.

But in 2013, the 12:02 from Cockfosters has ½ minute added at Arnos grove, 2 minutes added at Acton Town and 1½ minutes added at Northfields. The total journey time is 84.5 minutes (they've added yet another half-minute somewhere!), which is EIGHT MINUTES SLOWER THAN IN 2001.

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Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition12/09/13 13:02:00 Michael Dempsey
   Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition12/09/13 17:39:00 Penny Lillie
      Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition13/09/13 11:25:00 Michael Dempsey
         Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition13/09/13 11:51:00 John Hickman
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition13/09/13 12:34:00 Michael Dempsey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition13/09/13 13:05:00 Lisa Miller
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition13/09/13 13:08:00 John Hickman
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition13/09/13 17:37:00 Michael Dempsey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition13/09/13 15:15:00 Thomas Barry
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition13/09/13 17:38:00 John Hickman
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition13/09/13 17:55:00 Richard Jennings
                  Balancing the benefits...and achieving the outcome13/09/13 18:10:00 Chris Calvi-Freeman
                     Re:Balancing the benefits...and achieving the outcome13/09/13 19:05:00 Michael Dempsey
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition14/09/13 11:59:00 Thomas Barry
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition14/09/13 12:07:00 Chris Calvi-Freeman
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition14/09/13 13:09:00 Thomas Barry
                           Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition14/09/13 13:46:00 Ian Wylie
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition15/09/13 12:52:00 Richard Jennings
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition16/09/13 09:39:00 Thomas Barry
                        Train times and padding (geeky)16/09/13 12:39:00 Thomas Barry
                           Re:Train times and padding (geeky)16/09/13 18:53:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Train times and padding (geeky)16/09/13 20:28:00 Paul Green
                                 Re:Re:Re:Train times and padding (geeky)16/09/13 21:08:00 Thomas Barry
                                 Re:Re:Re:Train times and padding (geeky)16/09/13 22:51:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Train times and padding (geeky)16/09/13 20:38:00 John Hickman
                                 Re:Re:Re:Train times and padding (geeky)16/09/13 21:40:00 Thomas Barry
                                 Re:Re:Re:Train times and padding (geeky)16/09/13 22:24:00 Tom Pike
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Train times and padding (geeky)17/09/13 00:56:00 Richard Jennings
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Train times and padding (geeky)17/09/13 08:32:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Train times and padding (geeky)17/09/13 08:46:00 Paul Green
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Train times and padding (geeky)17/09/13 12:18:00 Tom Pike
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Train times and padding (geeky)19/09/13 20:40:00 Gilbert Short
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition17/09/13 22:49:00 Robin Cox
   Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition15/09/13 08:25:00 Curzon Tussaud
   Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition15/09/13 12:49:00 Mike Rivers
      Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition15/09/13 12:58:00 Richard Jennings
   Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition16/09/13 10:13:00 Charlotte Kasner
      Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition16/09/13 12:18:00 Michael Dempsey
         Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition17/09/13 09:40:00 Curzon Tussaud
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition17/09/13 09:45:00 Tessa Russell
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition17/09/13 13:24:00 Michael Dempsey
               Bump n/m17/09/13 19:03:00 Michael Dempsey
   Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition19/09/13 12:35:00 Michael Dempsey
      Survey first, petition second19/09/13 14:41:00 Paul Pryce
         Re:Survey first, petition second19/09/13 14:56:00 Paul Green
            Re:Re:Survey first, petition second19/09/13 18:55:00 Tom Pike
               Re:Re:Re:Survey first, petition second19/09/13 21:35:00 Richard Jennings
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Survey first, petition second19/09/13 22:12:00 Tom Pike
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Survey first, petition second20/09/13 00:29:00 Richard Jennings
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Survey first, petition second20/09/13 07:56:00 Tom Pike
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Survey first, petition second20/09/13 09:24:00 Richard Jennings
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Survey first, petition second20/09/13 10:08:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Survey first, petition second20/09/13 14:23:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Survey first, petition second20/09/13 15:05:00 Tom Pike
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Survey first, petition second20/09/13 14:29:00 Adam Bradley
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Survey first, petition second20/09/13 15:18:00 Tom Pike
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Survey first, petition second20/09/13 15:46:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Survey first, petition second20/09/13 15:54:00 Tom Pike
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Survey first, petition second20/09/13 14:01:00 Michael Dempsey
   Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition19/09/13 16:38:00 Sam Alexander
      Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition21/09/13 21:54:00 Michael Dempsey
   Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition22/09/13 14:41:00 Peter Eversden
      Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition22/09/13 15:05:00 Michael Dempsey
         Re:Re:Re:Piccadilly Line stop at Turnham Green petition23/09/13 13:35:00 Michael Dempsey
            Bump n/m24/09/13 19:10:00 Michael Dempsey
               Chiswick Area Forum tonight (24/9)24/09/13 19:18:00 Chris Calvi-Freeman
                  Re:Chiswick Area Forum tonight (24/9)24/09/13 19:53:00 Michael Dempsey
                     Re:Re:Chiswick Area Forum tonight (24/9)26/09/13 06:49:00 Alison Howard
                        Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum26/09/13 11:56:00 Chris Calvi-Freeman
                           Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum26/09/13 14:41:00 Chris Calvi-Freeman
                              Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum26/09/13 15:23:00 Paul Green
                                 Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum26/09/13 16:58:00 Tom Pike
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum26/09/13 17:33:00 Adam Bradley
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum26/09/13 19:04:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum26/09/13 22:22:00 Adam Bradley
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum26/09/13 23:03:00 Richard Jennings
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum27/09/13 00:08:00 Adam Bradley
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum27/09/13 00:42:00 Richard Jennings
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum27/09/13 00:09:00 Chris Calvi-Freeman
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum26/09/13 18:03:00 Philippa Bond
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum26/09/13 18:56:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum26/09/13 19:40:00 Philippa Bond
                              Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum26/09/13 16:15:00 Adam Bradley
                           Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum26/09/13 16:48:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum26/09/13 17:10:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                 Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum26/09/13 17:23:00 Tom Pike
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum27/09/13 15:14:00 Paul Pryce
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum27/09/13 19:25:00 Tom Pike
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum01/10/13 10:56:00 Paul Pryce
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum01/10/13 15:37:00 Philippa Bond
                                             Reliability and London Underground targets01/10/13 16:07:00 Thomas Barry
                                                Re:Reliability and London Underground targets01/10/13 17:59:00 Adam Bradley
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum01/10/13 22:45:00 Tom Pike
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum02/10/13 00:31:00 Richard Jennings
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum02/10/13 07:53:00 Francis Rowe
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum02/10/13 12:12:00 Tom Pike
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum02/10/13 16:07:00 Francis Rowe
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum02/10/13 17:28:00 Tom Pike
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum03/10/13 08:08:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum03/10/13 10:19:00 Tom Pike
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum03/10/13 15:52:00 Patrick ONeill
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum03/10/13 16:47:00 Tom Pike
                                                                           Crowded Piccadilly line trains at Hammermith04/10/13 09:04:00 Paul Pryce
                                                                              Re:Crowded Piccadilly line trains at Hammermith04/10/13 12:23:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                 Re:Re:Crowded Piccadilly line trains at Hammermith04/10/13 13:57:00 Alison Howard
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Crowded Piccadilly line trains at Hammermith04/10/13 14:28:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Crowded Piccadilly line trains at Hammermith04/10/13 14:58:00 Alison Howard
                                                                              Anecdote v. data04/10/13 14:24:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                                 Re:Anecdote v. data04/10/13 14:37:00 Tom Pike
                                                                                    Re:Re:Anecdote v. data04/10/13 19:20:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Anecdote v. data07/10/13 15:01:00 Francis Rowe
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Anecdote v. data07/10/13 18:06:00 Tom Pike
                           Richmond - Heathrow via TG?27/09/13 12:35:00 Thomas Barry
                              Re:Richmond - Heathrow via TG?27/09/13 13:16:00 Chris Calvi-Freeman
                                 Re:Re:Richmond - Heathrow via TG?27/09/13 13:40:00 Thomas Barry
                                    Re:Re:Re:Richmond - Heathrow via TG?27/09/13 14:07:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Richmond - Heathrow via TG?27/09/13 14:42:00 Chris Calvi-Freeman
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Richmond - Heathrow via TG?27/09/13 15:46:00 Jonathan Bingham
                           Re:Notes from the LU discussion at Chiswick Area Forum29/09/13 18:27:00 Michael Dempsey
                              Re:Additional Piccadilly Line stock29/09/13 20:50:00 Ian Wylie
                                 Re:Re:Additional Piccadilly Line stock30/09/13 10:46:00 Michael Dempsey
   TG wait times for the last few days01/10/13 12:43:00 Adam Bradley
      Re:TG wait times for the last few days01/10/13 17:09:00 Richard Jennings
         Re:Re:TG wait times for the last few days01/10/13 17:34:00 Andrew OSullivan
            Re: A curious ocurrence last Thursday (26th Oct)01/10/13 17:45:00 Richard Cathcart
               Re:Re: A curious ocurrence last Thursday (26th Oct)01/10/13 18:02:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re: A curious ocurrence last Thursday (26th Oct)02/10/13 18:17:00 Michael Dempsey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re: A curious ocurrence last Thursday (26th Oct)03/10/13 09:31:00 Philippa Bond
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: A curious ocurrence last Thursday (26th Oct)03/10/13 11:00:00 Thomas Barry
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: A curious ocurrence last Thursday (26th Oct)03/10/13 12:38:00 Tom Pike
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: A curious ocurrence last Thursday (26th Oct)03/10/13 14:53:00 Michael Dempsey
                                 Piccadilly line GM says slow moving Piccadilly line trains should pick up at TG03/10/13 15:12:00 Chris Calvi-Freeman
                                    Re:Piccadilly line GM says slow moving Piccadilly line trains should pick up at TG03/10/13 15:42:00 Philippa Bond
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: A curious ocurrence last Thursday (26th Oct)03/10/13 16:43:00 Kevin Mitchell
            Re:Re:Re:TG wait times for the last few days01/10/13 18:13:00 Adam Bradley
         Re:Re:TG wait times for the last few days01/10/13 17:42:00 Adam Bradley

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