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Topic: Re:The False Ecomony - an activist guide to fighting the cuts...
Posted by: Stewart Dean
Date/Time: 15/12/10 08:27:00

"and was so happy to see a room full of anarchists, swp, labour, tuc etc...all together"

here in lies the problem. All of the folks you listed here I consider the old left. In an ideal world there would be no unions.

What is needed is a new left; the ones I am lucky enough to talk about with some of the new generation I've met (as in I'm old enough to be their dad). There is a big need for a new left to form that is not labour, the unions, the anarchists and their outdated ideas or those wedded to the idea of class struggle and the fight for the workers against the evil mill owners. General strikes are no a good way to achive the ends, we need something better, much better.

What we have instead is a growing tide of bright media savy people who are working to turn this into a mainstream thing. What is being talked about is a big society in a way that the conservatives will hate, one where personal interests do not dwarf out the needs of society.

My view is that left lost their place at the table and in the labour party (which stopped being a left wing party over ten years ago) because it did not modernise and find a way to get the ideal of socialism to work in a more complex cultural mix (and I'm not really talking about that in terms of ethnic origins but in terms of less clear devides between class, for example).


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The False Ecomony - an activist guide to fighting the cuts...14/12/10 15:53:00 Carrie Richards
   Re:Make this xmas no 1. 14/12/10 15:54:00 Carrie Richards
      Re:Re:Make this xmas no 1. 14/12/10 17:04:00 Malcolm Peltu
      Re:Re:Make this xmas no 1. 14/12/10 19:03:00 bobby osborne
   Re:The False Ecomony - an activist guide to fighting the cuts...15/12/10 08:27:00 Stewart Dean
      Re:Re:The False Ecomony - an activist guide to fighting the cuts...15/12/10 09:06:00 Phil Andrews
         Re:Re:Re:The False Ecomony - an activist guide to fighting the cuts...15/12/10 09:25:00 Chris Lucy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:The False Ecomony - an activist guide to fighting the cuts...15/12/10 10:20:00 Vanessa Smith
            Re:Re:Re:Re:The False Ecomony - an activist guide to fighting the cuts...15/12/10 12:18:00 Stewart Dean
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The False Ecomony - an activist guide to fighting the cuts...15/12/10 12:33:00 Carrie Richards
         Re:Re:Re:The False Ecomony - an activist guide to fighting the cuts...15/12/10 11:40:00 Keith Iddon
            Re:Re:Re:Re:The False Ecomony - an activist guide to fighting the cuts...15/12/10 12:08:00 bobby osborne
      Re:Re:The False Ecomony - an activist guide to fighting the cuts...15/12/10 09:37:00 Carrie Richards
         Re:Re:Re:The False Ecomony - an activist guide to fighting the cuts...15/12/10 10:05:00 George Knox
            Re:Re:Re:Re:The False Ecomony - an activist guide to fighting the cuts...15/12/10 10:44:00 Chris Lucy
               The new online politics15/12/10 11:00:00 Malcolm Peltu
                  Re:Wall Street's Pentagon Papers: Biggest Financial Scam In World History 15/12/10 12:40:00 Carrie Richards
                     Re:Re:Wall Street's Pentagon Papers: Biggest Financial Scam In World History 15/12/10 13:15:00 Stewart Dean
                        Re:Re:Re:Wall Street's Pentagon Papers: Biggest Financial Scam In World History 16/12/10 10:51:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Wall Street's Pentagon Papers: Biggest Financial Scam In World History 16/12/10 10:55:00 Vanessa Smith
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Wall Street's Pentagon Papers: Biggest Financial Scam In World History 16/12/10 11:05:00 Robin Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Wall Street's Pentagon Papers: Biggest Financial Scam In World History 16/12/10 11:29:00 bobby osborne
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Wall Street's Pentagon Papers: Biggest Financial Scam In World History 16/12/10 12:09:00 Carrie Richards
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Wall Street's Pentagon Papers: Biggest Financial Scam In World History 16/12/10 14:16:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Wall Street's Pentagon Papers: Biggest Financial Scam In World History 16/12/10 19:55:00 Carrie Richards
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Wall Street's Pentagon Papers: Biggest Financial Scam In World History 16/12/10 20:03:00 Steve Taylor
                              Wall Street's Pentagon Papers: Biggest Financial Scam In World History 16/12/10 18:04:00 George Knox
                                 Re:Wall Street's Pentagon Papers: Biggest Financial Scam In World History 16/12/10 20:06:00 Carrie Richards
                                    Running down a dream16/12/10 20:15:00 Steve Taylor
                                       Re:Revolution Time......16/12/10 21:43:00 Carrie Richards
                                          Re:Re:Revolution Time......16/12/10 21:54:00 Steve Taylor
                                             Re:Re:Re:Revolution Time......16/12/10 21:56:00 Carrie Richards
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Revolution Time......16/12/10 21:57:00 Steve Taylor
   Re:The False Ecomony - an activist guide to fighting the cuts...16/12/10 16:38:00 Neil Muller
      Re:Re:The False Ecomony - an activist guide to fighting the cuts...16/12/10 21:54:00 Carrie Richards
         The rich getting poorer under coalition  -  16/12/10 22:02:00 Steve Taylor
            Re:The rich getting poorer under coalition  -  16/12/10 22:04:00 Carrie Richards
            Re:The rich do keep getting richer.16/12/10 22:06:00 Carrie Richards
               Re:Re:My true hero - the man who stood up against the banks16/12/10 22:08:00 Steve Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:My true hero - the man who stood up against the banks17/12/10 02:52:00 Carrie Richards
                     Re:Wealth Daily...17/12/10 02:57:00 Carrie Richards
                        ReThis looks pretty serious....17/12/10 03:01:00 Carrie Richards
                           Re:ReThis looks pretty serious....17/12/10 09:31:00 Robert Austin
                              Re:Re:ReThis looks pretty serious....17/12/10 09:40:00 bobby osborne
                                 Re:Re:Re:ReThis looks pretty serious....17/12/10 11:02:00 Carrie Richards
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:ReThis looks pretty serious....17/12/10 13:23:00 Phil Andrews
                                       Re:Barter System to replace Capitalism17/12/10 15:46:00 Richard Greenhough
                                          Re:Re:Barter System to replace Capitalism17/12/10 16:39:00 Phil Andrews
                                             Re:Re:Re:Barter System to replace Capitalism17/12/10 16:50:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Barter System to replace Capitalism17/12/10 17:02:00 Phil Andrews
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Barter System to replace Capitalism17/12/10 17:20:00 Richard Greenhough
                                 Re:Re:Re:ReThis looks pretty serious....17/12/10 13:44:00 Keith Iddon
                           Re:ReThis looks pretty serious....17/12/10 09:46:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                              Re:Re:ReThis looks pretty serious....17/12/10 11:08:00 Carrie Richards
                                 Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 11:57:00 Richard Greenhough
                                    Re:Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 12:31:00 Robert Austin
                                    Re:Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 12:57:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                                       Re:Re:Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 13:13:00 bobby osborne
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 13:25:00 Sam Hearn Cllr
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 14:05:00 Robin Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 14:09:00 Andrew Flinn
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 16:14:00 Robin Taylor
                                                      Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 16:26:00 Steve Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 15:42:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 15:56:00 Will Watson
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 16:37:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 16:52:00 Will Watson
                                                            :Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 17:09:00 Steve Taylor
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 16:52:00 Robin Taylor
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 17:19:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 17:50:00 Robin Taylor
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:An Even Sadder Case....17/12/10 16:46:00 Steve Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:ReThis looks pretty serious....17/12/10 16:30:00 Neil Muller
                              Re ; Watch and learn....18/12/10 15:16:00 Carrie Richards
         Re:John Lennon - Power to the People17/12/10 17:34:00 Richard Greenhough
   Re:The False Economy - a pedant's guide to spelling17/12/10 12:44:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:The False Economy - a pedant's guide to spelling17/12/10 16:21:00 Malcolm Peltu
         Re:One man's Porker is another man's Aston...17/12/10 16:39:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:One man's Porker is another man's Aston...17/12/10 17:14:00 Will Watson
            Re:Re:One man's Porker is another man's Aston...17/12/10 17:20:00 Steve Taylor
         Re:Re:Re:The False Economy - a pedant's guide to spelling17/12/10 16:41:00 bobby osborne
            Re:Re:Re:Re:The False Economy - a pedant's guide to spelling17/12/10 17:07:00 Phil Andrews
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The False Economy - a pedant's guide to spelling17/12/10 17:13:00 Steve Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The False Economy - a pedant's guide to spelling17/12/10 17:24:00 Richard Greenhough
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The False Economy - a pedant's guide to spelling17/12/10 18:08:00 Steve Taylor
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The False Economy - a pedant's guide to spelling17/12/10 20:54:00 Carrie Richards
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The False Economy - a pedant's guide to spelling17/12/10 20:58:00 Carrie Richards
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The False Economy - a pedant's guide to spelling17/12/10 22:41:00 Richard Greenhough
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The False Economy - a pedant's guide to spelling17/12/10 22:46:00 Jennifer Selig
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The False Economy - a pedant's guide to spelling18/12/10 01:21:00 Robin Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The False Economy - a pedant's guide to spelling17/12/10 23:02:00 Steve Taylor
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The False Economy - a pedant's guide to spelling18/12/10 14:58:00 Carrie Richards
      Re:Re:Ever heard of being a grammar nazi..18/12/10 15:06:00 Carrie Richards
         Re:Ever heard of Godwin's Law..18/12/10 15:20:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:Ever heard of Godwin's Law..18/12/10 15:27:00 Carrie Richards
            Re:Re:Ever heard of Godwin's Law..18/12/10 15:40:00 Carrie Richards
         Re:Re:Re:Ever heard of being a grammar nazi..18/12/10 15:22:00 Lucy Chambers
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever heard of being a grammar nazi..18/12/10 15:33:00 Carrie Richards
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever heard of being a grammar nazi..18/12/10 15:59:00 bobby osborne
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever heard of being a grammar nazi..18/12/10 17:00:00 Keith Iddon
         Re:Re:Re:Ever heard of being a grammar nazi..18/12/10 16:24:00 Rob White
            Re:What is a facist? 18/12/10 18:04:00 Carrie Richards
               Re:Re:What is a facist? 18/12/10 18:13:00 Rob White
                  Re:Re:Re:What is a facist? 18/12/10 18:23:00 Carrie Richards
                  Re:Re:Re:What is a facist? 18/12/10 18:27:00 Carrie Richards
               Re:Re:What is a facist? 18/12/10 18:13:00 bobby osborne
                  Re:Re:Re:What is a facist? 18/12/10 18:16:00 Rob White
               Re:Re:What is a facist? 18/12/10 18:20:00 Richard Greenhough
                  Re:Re:Re:What is a facist? 18/12/10 18:24:00 Carrie Richards
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a facist? 18/12/10 18:32:00 Keith Iddon
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a facist? 18/12/10 18:45:00 Carrie Richards
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a facist? 18/12/10 19:02:00 Keith Iddon
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a facist? 19/12/10 01:45:00 Carrie Richards
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a facist? 19/12/10 10:31:00 Keith Iddon
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a facist? 18/12/10 18:38:00 Carrie Richards
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a facist? 19/12/10 00:46:00 Carrie Richards
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::What is a petit bourgeois tory twerp? 19/12/10 01:11:00 bobby osborne
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::What is a petit bourgeois tory twerp? 19/12/10 01:27:00 Keith Iddon
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::What is a petit bourgeois tory twerp? 19/12/10 01:43:00 Carrie Richards
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::What is a petit bourgeois tory twerp? 19/12/10 02:01:00 Keith Iddon
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re::What is a petit bourgeois tory twerp? 19/12/10 02:44:00 Carrie Richards

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