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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings
Posted by: Marek Wakar
Date/Time: 19/11/10 10:52:00

The Irish government's debt funding problems are because the government is backing the banks. The banks are in a far worse state than ours, having lent heavily on property which has halved in value. So the government will lose money (compared with the UK where the government will, at current prices, make a profit on the bank bailout). The banks are large relative to GDP, so the losses are significant for the Irish government's credit worthiness.

In addition, independently of the banks, Ireland (along with the UK) has about the highest government deficit in the OECD. The Irish are suffering because many of their taxes are raised from land transactions, which have fallen. The UK is in this situation partly because of poor fiscal management by Gordon Brown (he ran a deficit at the top of the boom, when he should have run a surplus) and also because of a greater fall in UK output than other OECD countries. It is difficult to argue that our problems are caused solely by world events when we have performed worse than the rest of the OECD (which has itself performed worse than the emerging economies).

At some point both countries have to cut their deficits (whoever is in power) and there are risks to demand with doing that. But the debate is about when, not whether, to cut (and also what the balance should be between tax and spending). It is too early to see in either country whether the cuts have had an adverse effect or not. What we are seeing in Ireland is a mortgage and bank debt crisis - nothing to do with the cuts.


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Should we be giving money to bail out Ireland. ?17/11/10 13:41:00 Carrie Richards
   Re:Should we be giving money to bail out Ireland. ?17/11/10 14:07:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:Re:Should we be giving money to bail out Ireland. ?17/11/10 14:34:00 Malcolm Peltu
         Re:Re:Re:Should we be giving money to bail out Ireland. ?17/11/10 15:01:00 Vanessa Smith
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Should we be giving money to bail out Ireland. ?17/11/10 15:12:00 Malcolm Peltu
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Should we be giving money to bail out Ireland. ?17/11/10 15:43:00 Thomas Barry
                  Re:"Knows nothing about economics"17/11/10 15:56:00 Richard Greenhough
         Re:Re:Re:Should we be giving money to bail out Ireland. ?17/11/10 16:23:00 William Beausire
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Should we be giving money to bail out Ireland. ?17/11/10 17:06:00 Carrie Richards
               Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings17/11/10 17:36:00 Malcolm Peltu
                  Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings17/11/10 20:54:00 Tina Pemberton
                     Re:Should of paid more attention to the Wizard of OZ..18/11/10 01:25:00 Carrie Richards
                        Re:Re:Should of paid more attention to the Wizard of OZ..18/11/10 07:58:00 Bernadette Paul
                           Re:Re:Re:Should of paid more attention to the Wizard of OZ..18/11/10 09:08:00 Vanessa Smith
                        Re:Re:Should of paid more attention to the Wizard of OZ..18/11/10 09:17:00 Thomas Barry
                           Re:Re:Re:Should of paid more attention to the Wizard of OZ..18/11/10 23:28:00 Carrie Richards
                        Re:Re:Should of paid more attention to the Wizard of OZ..19/11/10 09:00:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                     Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings18/11/10 09:13:00 Thomas Barry
                        Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings18/11/10 09:46:00 Malcolm Peltu
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings18/11/10 10:01:00 Thomas Barry
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings18/11/10 10:15:00 Malcolm Peltu
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings18/11/10 10:28:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings18/11/10 11:04:00 Malcolm Peltu
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings18/11/10 11:48:00 Steve Taylor
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings18/11/10 12:29:00 John Connelly
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings18/11/10 12:44:00 Carrie Richards
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings18/11/10 19:26:00 Steve Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings18/11/10 21:42:00 Guy Lambert
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings19/11/10 10:52:00 Marek Wakar
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings19/11/10 11:01:00 Malcolm Peltu
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings19/11/10 11:11:00 Tina Pemberton
                                                            Should we be giving money to bail out Ireland?19/11/10 11:32:00 Ceref Devin
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings19/11/10 14:57:00 William Beausire
                                                            ReWatch this for some very clear information about how banks work.,20/11/10 01:22:00 Carrie Richards
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings19/11/10 11:33:00 Thomas Barry
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings19/11/10 15:28:00 Malcolm Peltu
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings19/11/10 15:51:00 Thomas Barry
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings19/11/10 16:01:00 Malcolm Peltu
                                                                     Re: You've never had it so good19/11/10 17:05:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                        Re:Re: You've never had it so good19/11/10 19:10:00 Susan Kelly
                                                                           Re:Re:Re: You've never had it so good20/11/10 02:15:00 Phil Andrews
                                                                           Re:Re:Re: You've never had it so good20/11/10 11:34:00 Vanessa Smith
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re: You've never had it so good20/11/10 11:48:00 Susan Kelly
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: You've never had it so good20/11/10 13:26:00 Vanessa Smith
                  Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings20/11/10 12:20:00 Alison Foy
                     Re:Re:Safety of Post Office/Bank of Ireland savings20/11/10 14:28:00 Carrie Richards
                        Re:Withdraw your money 7th Dec....22/11/10 11:46:00 Carrie Richards

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