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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown
Posted by: David Giles
Date/Time: 28/10/09 18:14:00

Stew,

To say that Ireland has prospered because of their closer ties with Europe seemed true until a year or so ago.

But Ireland is no longer the Celtic Tiger it was and objectively it has suffered greatly because of its adoption of the euro and EU monetary policies and interest rates that may have been suitable for Germany and France but not for Ireland.

I am Irish and I don't think anyone in Ireland seriously believes that by backing the Lisbon Constitutional Treaty, Ireland has any more global influence. In fact Ireland would probably have more influence if it hadn't backed the Treaty than by backing it. Ireland is a small country and its global influence is often exaggerated - particularly by the Irish !

In any case - people don't vote for influence globally or otherwise. They vote for jobs, homes, properity, good public services and security. "It's the economy, stupid !".

Ireland is in an extremely serious economic crisis- huge public sector and private sector debts, soaring unemployment, bailed-out banks, low agricultural prices, rising taxes, public sector cuts and the departure of manufacturing companies like Dell to cheaper countries like Poland. Exporters cannot export because the euro is too expensive compared to the pound or the dollar.

Government Ministers, TD's and public sector workers have taken pay cuts. Many Irish people have seen their savings and pensions wiped out by the collapse in bank shares.Huge number of home owners are in negative equity and living in homes they cannot sell and nobody will buy.Intervention by the IMF is a possibility. The situation in Ireland is much more serious than in the UK.

All of this has happened very suddenly. Irish people were shocked by the speed and seriousness of the change. The full weight of the EU Commission and the EU Movement was brought to bear and the Irish people voted for the Treaty in the same way as a drowning man reaches out for a lifebelt when his ship is sinking under him.

The same may happen here.


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         Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown27/10/09 10:43:00 David Giles
            Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown27/10/09 13:15:00 Malcolm Peltu
            Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown27/10/09 14:39:00 Stewart Dean
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown27/10/09 16:39:00 Fraser Pearce
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown27/10/09 17:21:00 David Giles
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown27/10/09 22:01:00 Guy Lambert
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown28/10/09 13:45:00 David Giles
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown28/10/09 17:26:00 Stewart Dean
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown28/10/09 18:14:00 David Giles
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown27/10/09 23:36:00 Stewart Dean
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown27/10/09 23:26:00 Stewart Dean
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown28/10/09 18:23:00 Fraser Pearce
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown28/10/09 18:35:00 Fraser Pearce
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown28/10/09 19:07:00 David Giles
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown28/10/09 19:33:00 Guy Lambert
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown28/10/09 19:43:00 David Giles
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown29/10/09 09:33:00 Fraser Pearce
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown29/10/09 11:41:00 David Giles
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                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gord29/10/09 12:35:00 Matthew Varey
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gord29/10/09 15:48:00 E Yarrow
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                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown29/10/09 23:51:00 Fraser Pearce
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown30/10/09 09:46:00 Todd Richard Feely
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Real Big Story : UK Economy continues to shrink under Gordon Brown30/10/09 16:32:00 David Giles
                                    The Nobel Prize for Economics02/11/09 16:01:00 David Giles
                                       Re:The Nobel Prize for Economics03/11/09 08:07:00 Fraser Pearce
                                          Re:Re:The Nobel Prize for Economics03/11/09 19:16:00 David Giles
                                             Not the Nobel prize03/11/09 19:36:00 Ken Munn
                                                Re:Not the Nobel prize03/11/09 19:55:00 David Giles
                                                   Re:Re:Not the Nobel prize03/11/09 20:37:00 Fraser Pearce
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Not the Nobel prize03/11/09 20:48:00 Fraser Pearce
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Not the Nobel prize03/11/09 21:25:00 E Yarrow
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Not the Nobel prize04/11/09 18:44:00 David Giles

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