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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply
Posted by: Paul Campbell
Date/Time: 18/06/21 13:17:00

I have engaged with many people in real life with lots of different opinions on transport and had sensible discussions about changes. The vast majority of people are not actually that interested, some don't want change but accept it has to happen, some have good suggestions on ways to make change work. Most people just want to understand what is happening and why. They want straightforward objective communication and are frustrated with both the Council who have been very poor comunnicators and the local Councillors who have been too partisan and entrenched in their confrontational stance on transport to pass on reliable information to them. There are only a few nerds like me who have read the detail and spent time absorbing the processes and procedures.

The people you see me engage with on social media like this forum tend to be the more extreme car supremacists. As I said on another thread it a misonception that consensus is requied to drive change. These are people who will never be convinced that anything that negatively impacts cars to any degree whatsoever can possibly be acceptable. They will try to exploit any admission of weakness of a scheme to destroy everything and halt progress. And yes I freely admit that I am not polite to them and that I enjoy pointing out when they are making unsubstantiated claims or calling them out on their anti-cycling bigotry and ludicrous conspiracy theories. The worst of them like David Lesniak I just ignore entirely. Every area of London has its Lesniaks. All the Lesniaks have been engaged with directly by politicans, campaigners and transport professionals up to the point where nobody engages with them any longer because it is exhausting, pointless and unpleasant. They just get left behind. That is a fact of life in business, politics and society in general. It is where The OC is heading fast if they haven't already got there. They cause so much damage to their reputations that they exclude themselves entirely from any future debate on local matters.


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Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal16/06/21 17:53:00 Paul Campbell
   Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal16/06/21 17:55:00 Chris Vessey
   Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal16/06/21 18:29:00 Loraine Pemberton
      Re:Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal16/06/21 18:46:00 Paul Campbell
   Statement from Sadiq Khan16/06/21 19:00:00 Paul Campbell
      Re:Statement from Sadiq Khan16/06/21 19:42:00 Chris Vessey
      Re:Statement from Sadiq Khan16/06/21 20:07:00 Ken Munn
      Re:Statement from Sadiq Khan16/06/21 20:36:00 Derek Hill
         Re:Re:Statement from Sadiq Khan16/06/21 21:39:00 Stewart Jones
            Re:Re:Re:Statement from Sadiq Khan16/06/21 21:55:00 Ken Munn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Statement from Sadiq Khan17/06/21 14:20:00 Chris Vessey
            Re:Re:Re:Statement from Sadiq Khan16/06/21 21:57:00 Derek Hill
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Statement from Sadiq Khan16/06/21 22:19:00 Stewart Jones
               Reply16/06/21 22:36:00 John Hall
                  Re:Reply16/06/21 22:54:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:Reply17/06/21 15:06:00 Justin Stephenson
                        Re:Re:Re:Reply17/06/21 15:29:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Reply17/06/21 15:30:00 Paul Campbell
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply17/06/21 17:14:00 Justin Stephenson
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply17/06/21 17:19:00 Ken Munn
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply17/06/21 17:30:00 Paul Campbell
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/06/21 09:33:00 Kieran Fox
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/06/21 09:53:00 Paul Campbell
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/06/21 10:53:00 Kieran Fox
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/06/21 11:09:00 Paul Campbell
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/06/21 11:15:00 Kieran Fox
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/06/21 12:22:00 Paul Campbell
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/06/21 12:57:00 Kieran Fox
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/06/21 13:17:00 Paul Campbell
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/06/21 13:31:00 Kieran Fox
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/06/21 13:41:00 Paul Campbell
                                                               Kieran Fox 1 - Paul Campbell 018/06/21 13:47:00 Mark Talbot
                                                                  Mark "the arbiter" Talbot18/06/21 14:17:00 Paul Campbell
                                                                     Re:Mark "the arbiter" Talbot18/06/21 21:36:00 Mark Talbot
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/06/21 13:28:00 Michael Robinson
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/06/21 17:57:00 David Lesniak
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply17/06/21 17:31:00 Michael Robinson
                        Re:Re:Re:Reply17/06/21 22:21:00 Stewart Jones
   Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal17/06/21 16:42:00 Claire Moran
      Re:Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal17/06/21 16:46:00 Michael Robinson
         Re:Re:Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal17/06/21 17:02:00 Ed Saper
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal18/06/21 13:28:00 Janice Evans
               Reply18/06/21 13:43:00 John Hall
                  Re:Reply18/06/21 13:48:00 Janice Evans
                     Re:Re:Reply18/06/21 20:44:00 Chris Vessey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal18/06/21 14:36:00 Chris Vessey
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal18/06/21 15:13:00 Janice Evans
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal18/06/21 16:00:00 Loraine Pemberton
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal18/06/21 16:34:00 Chris Vessey
      Re:Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal17/06/21 19:37:00 Chris Vessey
         Re:Re:Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal17/06/21 20:11:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal18/06/21 09:21:00 Chris Vessey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal18/06/21 10:06:00 Ken Munn
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal18/06/21 13:12:00 Chris Vessey
      Re:Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal18/06/21 17:49:00 Ken Munn
         Re:Re:Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal18/06/21 19:57:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Reports that TfL wins Bishopsgate appeal18/06/21 22:23:00 Ken Munn

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