"If trains are so marvellous please explain why the french are still operating flights from Paris to Lyon"
Actually in many cases if you book a 'flight' from CDG and some locations you get a TGV, since Air France book space on them instead of flying you. Besides, your point is somewhat moot - the effect of HS rail competition on short routes is the decimation of air competition, as has been well documented:
“The TGV currently owns about 90-95% of the market share vs air for journeys under 2 hours and is dominating air on routes between Paris and Lyon, Marseille, Strasbourg and Montpellier”
http://www.etravelblackboard.com/article/122987/frances-tgv-high-speed-rail-turns-30
It's been even more marked on Madrid-Barcelona, apparently - air had a 90% share before the train, that's reportedly down to 40% already (some places report even lower), and that's only because the Ryanairs have come in and offered bargain basement prices - air is the low-quality cheap alternative niche now, and crucially that doesn't have to go from your prestige main airport, you might as well use Luton or Southend rather than precious slots at LHR.
http://www.businesstraveller.com/archive/2011/may-2011/special-reports/no-pain-by-train
Also:
"The number of flights between Madrid and Málaga dropped by half in the two years after the AVE route between those cities opened in 2007."
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/16/science/earth/16train.html
"if you're starting in central London maybe"
Businesses, particularly the high value IT ones we're trying to attract, now prefer city centre locations - their target employee base (20-something, highly skilled) isn't interested in a house in the suburbs and a drive to work any more while London is much more attractive as a city to live in now than twenty years ago - low crime, high investment, vibrant culture, good transport system. So they are starting in central London and this will continue.
"this guy has no idea what a 'hub' is"
Why do we need a hub? Doesn't benefit the UK at all. Let Schiphol or CDG handle that, they have the terrain for it. London's airport capacity should be prioritised to serve flights for people travelling between London and places not reachable easily by rail, end of. |
| Topic | Date Posted | Posted By |
| Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 27/08/12 19:32:00 | Will Watson |
| Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 27/08/12 23:41:00 | Claire Moran |
| Re:Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 28/08/12 07:40:00 | Tim Henderson |
| Re:Re:Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 28/08/12 12:02:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 28/08/12 12:06:00 | Claire Moran |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 28/08/12 12:59:00 | Jonathan Bingham |
| Re:Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 28/08/12 14:09:00 | Thomas Barry |
| Re:Re:Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 28/08/12 14:39:00 | George Knox |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 28/08/12 14:44:00 | Neil Muller |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 28/08/12 15:53:00 | Dave Robertson |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 28/08/12 16:10:00 | Jonathan Bingham |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 28/08/12 16:51:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 28/08/12 17:13:00 | Dave Robertson |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 28/08/12 18:00:00 | Jonathan Bingham |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 28/08/12 19:19:00 | Dave Robertson |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 29/08/12 09:46:00 | Jonathan Bingham |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 28/08/12 15:36:00 | Thomas Barry |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 28/08/12 15:58:00 | Claire Moran |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 28/08/12 16:09:00 | George Knox |
| What Tim Yeo MP says does not matter | 28/08/12 16:45:00 | David Giles |
| Re:What Tim Yeo MP says does not matter | 28/08/12 16:53:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:What Tim Yeo MP says does not matter | 28/08/12 17:15:00 | Roger Talbot |
| Re:Re:What Tim Yeo MP says does not matter | 28/08/12 18:41:00 | David Giles |
| Nice try David | 28/08/12 20:27:00 | Thomas Barry |
| Re:Nice try David | 28/08/12 22:56:00 | David Giles |
| It's not just Tim Yeo, of course | 28/08/12 20:33:00 | Thomas Barry |
| Re: Mary MacLeod and Zac Goldsmith | 28/08/12 21:26:00 | Isabelle Kendall |
| Re:Re: Mary MacLeod and Zac Goldsmith | 28/08/12 21:33:00 | Iris Hill |
| Re:Re:Re: Mary MacLeod and Zac Goldsmith | 28/08/12 21:40:00 | Isabelle Kendall |
| Re:Re:Re:Re: Mary MacLeod and Zac Goldsmith | 28/08/12 22:51:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re: Mary MacLeod and Zac Goldsmith | 29/08/12 00:15:00 | Dave Robertson |
| Re:Re:Re:Re: Mary MacLeod and Zac Goldsmith | 29/08/12 07:33:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re: Mary MacLeod and Zac Goldsmith | 29/08/12 08:47:00 | Thomas Barry |
| Re:Re:Re: Mary MacLeod and Zac Goldsmith | 31/08/12 08:49:00 | David Giles |
| Heathrow capacity 'harms' economy, say MPs | 29/08/12 06:47:00 | Will Watson |
| Re:Heathrow capacity 'harms' economy, say MPs | 29/08/12 07:46:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Heathrow capacity 'harms' economy, say MPs | 29/08/12 09:41:00 | Neil Muller |
| Re:Re:Heathrow capacity 'harms' economy, say MPs | 29/08/12 09:53:00 | Guy Lambert |
| Let's get away from this Londoncentric approach | 29/08/12 17:55:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Let's get away from this Londoncentric approach | 29/08/12 18:45:00 | Jonathan Bingham |
| Re:Re:Let's get away from this Londoncentric approach | 29/08/12 19:12:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Re:Let's get away from this Londoncentric approach | 29/08/12 21:26:00 | Tim Henderson |
| Re:Re:Re:Let's get away from this Londoncentric approach | 30/08/12 09:26:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Let's get away from this Londoncentric approach | 30/08/12 09:43:00 | Claire Moran |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Let's get away from this Londoncentric approach | 30/08/12 10:03:00 | Dave Robertson |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Let's get away from this Londoncentric approach | 30/08/12 11:59:00 | Vanessa Smith |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Let's get away from this Londoncentric approach | 30/08/12 13:39:00 | Claire Moran |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Let's get away from this Londoncentric approach | 30/08/12 18:10:00 | Dave Robertson |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Let's get away from this Londoncentric approach | 30/08/12 18:14:00 | Claire Moran |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Let's get away from this Londoncentric approach | 30/08/12 18:32:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Heathrow capacity 'harms' economy, say MPs | 31/08/12 18:29:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow capacity 'harms' economy, say MPs | 31/08/12 18:44:00 | Claire Moran |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow capacity 'harms' economy, say MPs | 01/09/12 08:37:00 | Dave Robertson |
| Re:Closing Heathrow ? | 01/09/12 09:35:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Re:Closing Heathrow ? | 01/09/12 11:04:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow capacity 'harms' economy, say MPs | 01/09/12 09:35:00 | Jonathan Bingham |
| BAA - the elephant in the room | 01/09/12 09:41:00 | Thomas Barry |
| Re:BAA - the elephant in the room | 01/09/12 11:20:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:BAA - the elephant in the room | 01/09/12 12:05:00 | George Knox |
| Re:Re:BAA - the elephant in the room | 01/09/12 14:14:00 | Jonathan Bingham |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow capacity 'harms' economy, say MPs | 01/09/12 13:23:00 | Dave Robertson |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow capacity 'harms' economy, say MPs | 01/09/12 13:54:00 | Claire Moran |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow capacity 'harms' economy, say MPs | 03/09/12 10:22:00 | Jonathan Bingham |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow capacity 'harms' economy, say MPs | 03/09/12 11:17:00 | Thomas Barry |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Heathrow capacity 'harms' economy, say MPs | 03/09/12 11:10:00 | Thomas Barry |
| Drip, drip, drip | 03/09/12 09:22:00 | Will Watson |
| Re:Drip, drip, drip | 03/09/12 09:27:00 | Claire Moran |
| A Goldsmith writes... | 04/09/12 09:30:00 | Thomas Barry |
| Re:A Goldsmith writes... | 04/09/12 09:47:00 | Roger Talbot |
| Re:Re:A Goldsmith writes... | 04/09/12 10:52:00 | Thomas Barry |
| Re:A Goldsmith writes... | 04/09/12 13:04:00 | Jonathan Bingham |
| Re:Re:A Goldsmith writes... | 04/09/12 13:46:00 | Thomas Barry |
| Re:Schiphol | 04/09/12 14:19:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Re:Schiphol | 04/09/12 14:39:00 | Edward Przepiora |
| Re:Re:Re:Schiphol | 04/09/12 15:04:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Regional airports in England | 05/09/12 12:19:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Aerogare London Charles de Gaulle | 05/09/12 13:34:00 | David Giles |
| Re:Re:Re:A Goldsmith writes... | 04/09/12 15:19:00 | Dave Robertson |
| Boris Island reconsidered | 04/09/12 19:12:00 | Tom Pike |
| Re:Boris Island reconsidered | 04/09/12 20:13:00 | Edward Przepiora |
| Re:Re:Boris Island reconsidered | 05/09/12 00:11:00 | Tom Pike |
| Re:Re:Re:Boris Island reconsidered | 05/09/12 10:39:00 | Edward Przepiora |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris Island reconsidered | 05/09/12 10:46:00 | Claire Moran |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris Island reconsidered | 05/09/12 10:57:00 | John Hickman |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris Island reconsidered | 05/09/12 11:00:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris Island reconsidered | 05/09/12 11:37:00 | Edward Przepiora |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Boris Island reconsidered | 05/09/12 13:20:00 | Tom Pike |
| The Government still opposes the Third Runway. | 05/09/12 13:52:00 | David Giles |
| Re:The Government still opposes the Third Runway. | 05/09/12 14:13:00 | Claire Moran |
| Re:The Government still opposes the Third Runway. | 05/09/12 14:17:00 | Jonathan Bingham |
| Re:Re:The Government still opposes the Third Runway. | 05/09/12 14:44:00 | Tom Pike |
| Re:Re:Re:The Government still opposes the Third Runway. | 05/09/12 15:31:00 | Jonathan Bingham |
| Re:The Government still opposes the Third Runway. | 05/09/12 14:24:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:The Government still opposes the Third Runway. | 05/09/12 14:24:00 | Dave Robertson |
| Re:The Government still opposes the Third Runway. | 05/09/12 14:35:00 | Tom Pike |
| Re:The Government still opposes the Third Runway. | 05/09/12 15:22:00 | Will Watson |
| Re:Re:The Government still opposes the Third Runway. | 05/09/12 15:38:00 | Edward Przepiora |
| Re:Re:Re:The Government still opposes the Third Runway. | 05/09/12 15:43:00 | Claire Moran |
| Re:Re:Re:The Government still opposes the Third Runway. | 05/09/12 16:39:00 | Tom Pike |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:The Government still opposes the Third Runway. | 05/09/12 16:42:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| The Treasury still supports the Third Runway. | 05/09/12 16:49:00 | Thomas Barry |
| Re:The Treasury still supports the Third Runway. | 06/09/12 10:00:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:Heathrow third runway rethink urged by Tory MP | 06/09/12 09:54:00 | Andrew OSullivan |