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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL
Posted by: Ed Saper
Date/Time: 20/09/21 22:52:00

"even the most recent closure at Harvard Hill is an advantage to drivers... if you added up all the time lost diverting to Sutton Court Road and all the time gained on the A4 as it doesn’t slow down for cars trying to join, the total amount of time people are in their cars is going to be less. So us locals lose out, but everyone that drives through gains."


That could be true - I'm sure some studies have been done on traffic flows on this subject.  It is a bit like the counter intuitive argument that the 20mph limit improves traffic flow and reduces overall journey times.

You could go further and say that the reduction of thousands of through vehicle movements via Harvard Hill is also of benefit to drivers, particularly local ones.

The decreased congestion makes journey times quicker through GP - when I used to live there, Fauconberg was always getting gridlocked with heavy two way traffic in the mornings and it was always a gamble to cut through Elmwood in case you met a bin lorry or delivery van and you could end up reversing some way until there was a space to pull in. 

I wonder if there have been any studies on journey times through LTNs and boundary areas to suggest that time lost by diverting is at least partially made up by encountering less traffic within the areas? 

Some people (not everyone!) also make the argument that removing congestion from local / minor roads may prompt modal shift towards buses (faster and more reliable), walking and cycling (less dangerous or polluted), thus taking more cars off the roads and reducing congestion which is a benefit to drivers, particularly commercial ones.

In fact you could deploy your arguments to suggest that cycling infrastructure like the temporary C9 is also primarily of benefit to drivers.  It could discourage inexperienced cyclists mixing with lorries and encourage people to switch from cars / Ubers to cycling, reducing congestion, or at the very least, prevent it growing as fast. 


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         Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL14/09/21 18:00:00 Maggie Dodge
            Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL14/09/21 19:14:00 Loraine Pemberton
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   Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL14/09/21 20:21:00 Paul Campbell
      Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL14/09/21 21:24:00 Stewart Jones
         Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL15/09/21 09:50:00 Mark Edwards
            Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL18/09/21 18:47:00 Stewart Jones
         Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL16/09/21 13:54:00 Tim Garfoot
            Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL16/09/21 13:57:00 Maggie Dodge
               CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR RECENT ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL16/09/21 14:38:00 PATRICK MULHALL
                  Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR RECENT ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL16/09/21 14:54:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR RECENT ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL18/09/21 18:28:00 David Lesniak
                     Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR RECENT ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL19/09/21 11:32:00 Robin Knight
            Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL16/09/21 14:18:00 Will Watson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL16/09/21 14:55:00 PATRICK MULHALL
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL16/09/21 15:14:00 Maggie Dodge
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL16/09/21 15:14:00 Maggie Dodge
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL16/09/21 15:14:00 Maggie Dodge
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL16/09/21 15:14:00 Maggie Dodge
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL16/09/21 15:24:00 PATRICK MULHALL
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL16/09/21 15:52:00 Cllr Sam Hearn
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL16/09/21 16:21:00 PATRICK MULHALL
      Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL18/09/21 21:28:00 Colin Potter
         Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL18/09/21 22:16:00 Ed Saper
            Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL18/09/21 23:16:00 Peter Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL19/09/21 18:58:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL22/09/21 11:10:00 Maggie Dodge
            Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL19/09/21 16:51:00 David Lesniak
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL20/09/21 10:53:00 Philippa Bond
            Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL20/09/21 16:03:00 Colin Potter
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL20/09/21 22:52:00 Ed Saper
                  Homefields Ward is Chiswick's Waltham Forest21/09/21 07:52:00 Paul Campbell
                     Re:Homefields Ward is Chiswick's Waltham Forest21/09/21 08:03:00 Maggie Dodge
                        Re:Re:Homefields Ward is Chiswick's Waltham Forest21/09/21 09:58:00 Rob Reynolds
                           Re:Re:Re:Homefields Ward is Chiswick's Waltham Forest21/09/21 14:29:00 Maggie Dodge
                           Re: Homefields Ward is Chiswick's Waltham Forest21/09/21 14:45:00 Philippa Bond
                              Re:Re:  The Inconvenient Truth21/09/21 20:09:00 Philippa Bond
                                 Recent Road Changes21/09/21 20:51:00 PATRICK MULHALL
                                    Re:Recent Road Changes21/09/21 21:23:00 Ed Saper
                                       Re:Re:Recent Road Changes21/09/21 21:35:00 Maggie Dodge
                                       Re:Re:Recent Road Changes21/09/21 23:24:00 PATRICK MULHALL
                                          Reply22/09/21 10:07:00 Rob Reynolds
                                             Re:Reply22/09/21 15:23:00 Philippa Bond
                                                Yes we'll done25/09/21 17:13:00 PATRICK MULHALL
                     Re:Homefields Ward is Chiswick's Waltham Forest03/10/21 10:23:00 Robin Knight
                     Re:Homefields Ward is Chiswick's Waltham Forest03/10/21 12:59:00 Diana Claridge
                        Re:Re:Homefields Ward is Chiswick's Waltham Forest03/10/21 19:08:00 Maggie Dodge
                           Oh no Ted03/10/21 20:26:00 PATRICK MULHALL
                              Re:Oh no Ted03/10/21 20:33:00 Maggie Dodge
                              On a more serious note...03/10/21 20:38:00 PATRICK MULHALL
                                 Re:On a more serious note...06/10/21 14:29:00 Philippa Bond
                        Re:Re:Homefields Ward is Chiswick's Waltham Forest06/10/21 07:53:00 John Davies
                           Re:Re:Re:Homefields Ward is Chiswick's Waltham Forest06/10/21 07:55:00 John Davies
   Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL08/10/21 12:03:00 Patricia Ann Sears
      Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL08/10/21 12:19:00 John Davies
         Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL08/10/21 15:24:00 Helen Bamberger
            Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL08/10/21 16:38:00 Maggie Dodge
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL08/10/21 17:22:00 Simon Temple
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL08/10/21 20:21:00 Michael Pollitt
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL08/10/21 22:46:00 PATRICK MULHALL
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL08/10/21 23:00:00 Maggie Dodge
   Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL09/10/21 10:32:00 Simon Pedley
      Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL09/10/21 11:50:00 Adrian Irving
   Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL10/10/21 11:03:00 Sally Catlin
      Re:Re:CHISWICK ..OPEN UP ALL OUR ROADS HOUNSLOW COUNCIL10/10/21 12:01:00 Maggie Dodge

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