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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road
Posted by: Adam Beamish
Date/Time: 19/08/15 21:32:00

I fear I'm going to regret posting again on this thread, but here goes...

Firstly, the developers of the 6 town house scheme are not in any way linked to this apart-hotel scheme.  Crest Nicholson were my clients/the developers for the town house scheme.  The reason Crest didn't proceed with the town house scheme was because their board decided on a change of strategy in terms of the type of properties they were building.

Regarding the office use of the building, regardless of whether the building is vacant or not (it certainly wasn't when I was getting permission for Crest) the site benefits from both a prior approval to be converted from office to flats and an extent planning permission for the town house redevelopment of the site.  Thus the loss of the offices have already been accepted and either scheme represents the 'fallback' position, which carries significant weight in planning terms.  In simple language, an objection based on the loss of offices is a complete waste of time.

I have to take issue with one of Scott's posts (I haven't read them all) where he implies that the Crest Nicholson scheme was changed midway through the planning permission due to objections from residents.  That is wholly untrue, some very slight revisions were made following the public exhibition we did prior to the submission of the application, but there were no further changes made during the determination of the application.

I'm not a transport consultant, but as I always point out national government guidance is towards minimum car parking provision, particularly in town centres well served by public transport.  I mentioned in a earlier post how national planning policy (the National Planning Policy Framework) encourages defined town centre uses, which include hotels and apart-hotels, to be located within highly accessible town centre locations, to reduce reliance on the private motor car etc.  This site benefits from a high (5 on a scale of 1-6) level of access to public transport.  The typical occupancy of serviced apartments is very different to your typical hotel, and the valid point any poster was making was that the traffic movements associated with the lawful use as offices with a 20 odd space car park is going to be 'heavier' than an 85 bed aparthotel scheme with no off-street parking.  All things considered, I think anyone would struggle to make an objection on traffic and parking grounds stick as if the Council is minded to refuse on such grounds, it needs to be able to demonstrate that the impact would be 'severe' (paragraph 32 of the NPPF).

Developers profit isn't a material planning consideration  in the determination of applications like this.  It is a material consideration when we're dealing with 20 houses and the developer is trying to argue that it shouldn't be required to pay an off-site financial contribution towards affordable housing, nor provide on-site affordable housing, on the basis that to do so would render the scheme not financially viable as the developer profit would be less than around 15%.  None of those arguments apply to this scheme so forget about the developer profit arguments.

Which leaves the subjective judgements about scale/bulk/massing, design, appearance etc.  Personally speaking, I don't like the proposed building, in my view it's too much on the site and it looks like a prison, but that a personal view about subjective considerations, as I often say one mans hell is another's heaven, and ultimately it is those subjective issues which the scheme will ultimately be determined on in my view.

My advice would therefore be to stick with those type of objections, and to avoid destroying the credibility of an otherwise well worded objection by going into 'rants' about greedy developers or such like, because that is when an other credible objector becomes a NIMBY.

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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Windmill Road15/08/15 10:58:00 Carl Wynne
   Re:Windmill Road15/08/15 11:16:00 Will Watson
      Re:Re:Windmill Road15/08/15 11:20:00 Loraine Pemberton
         Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road15/08/15 23:29:00 Peter Evans
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road16/08/15 10:50:00 Loraine Pemberton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road16/08/15 11:17:00 Richard Greenhough
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road16/08/15 15:57:00 Loraine Pemberton
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road16/08/15 16:15:00 Peter Evans
   Re:Windmill Road16/08/15 15:11:00 Peter Millman
      Re:Re:Windmill Road16/08/15 15:21:00 Richard Jennings
         Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road16/08/15 19:29:00 Dan Murphy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road16/08/15 19:36:00 Carl Wynne
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road17/08/15 09:11:00 Adam Beamish
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 12:48:00 Scott Cargill
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 13:25:00 Adam Beamish
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 16:31:00 Peter Niklewicz
   Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 12:44:00 Scott Cargill
      Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 12:51:00 Loraine Pemberton
         Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 18:47:00 Scott Cargill
      Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 13:17:00 Richard Greenhough
         Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 13:35:00 Robert Fish
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 15:01:00 Peter Evans
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 18:57:00 Scott Cargill
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 15:08:00 Tony Buchanan
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 19:01:00 Scott Cargill
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 16:05:00 Dave Jervis
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 16:32:00 Michael Robinson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 19:03:00 Scott Cargill
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 16:35:00 Peter Niklewicz
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 18:01:00 Claire Moran
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 18:30:00 Carl Wynne
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 19:04:00 Scott Cargill
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 18:52:00 Scott Cargill
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 18:58:00 Carl Wynne
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 18:59:00 Richard Greenhough
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 19:07:00 Scott Cargill
         Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 18:47:00 Scott Cargill
   Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 16:32:00 Sue Knight
      Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 17:41:00 Carl Wynne
         Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 17:46:00 Alison Neary
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 17:53:00 Sue Knight
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 17:58:00 Alison Neary
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 18:01:00 Sue Knight
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 22:00:00 Adam Beamish
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road20/08/15 14:19:00 Sue Knight
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road20/08/15 14:55:00 Adam Beamish
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road20/08/15 14:59:00 Richard Greenhough
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road20/08/15 15:27:00 Sue Knight
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road20/08/15 15:54:00 Adam Beamish
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 19:10:00 Scott Cargill
         Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 17:58:00 Sue Knight
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 18:24:00 Peter Millman
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 19:32:00 Gordon McDonald
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 19:35:00 Scott Cargill
         Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 19:09:00 Scott Cargill
      Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 19:08:00 Scott Cargill
         Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 19:44:00 Peter Millman
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 21:32:00 Adam Beamish
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 22:24:00 Peter Niklewicz
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road19/08/15 23:21:00 Mark Perry
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road20/08/15 13:57:00 Mark Talbot
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road20/08/15 14:57:00 Peter Evans
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Windmill Road20/08/15 15:16:00 Richard Greenhough

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