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Topic: Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West
Posted by: Claire Moran
Date/Time: 22/06/16 11:24:00

Alreay posted on another thread but posted again below

If you are undecided which way to vote tomorrow, read this from a leading financial expert and ask yourself: ‘rather than voting to leave or remain, if you were voting on whether to enter the EU, how would you vote then?’
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I love Europe, but I want to leave the EU

It’s obvious. But based on some of the things I’m reading on social media and elsewhere, it needs saying again.

Voting to leave the European Union (EU) is not voting for Boris or Nigel or anyone else. The elected Conservative government will remain in power until there is another election, at which point we can vote for a different party if we so wish. This is simply a vote on whether we should remain part of the administrative body that is the EU.

It does not mean you will no longer be able to travel to France. It does not mean your continental friends will not be able to come to the UK. And it doesn’t mean we will no longer be able to trade with our European brothers.

I should say, my grandparents were Italian. I speak five European languages, three fluently. I have lived several years of my life on the continent, and I do business with people in Europe all the time. I’m a europhile.

And I want out of the EU, and here are ten reasons why.

1. Centralised power is the wrong way to go

People thrive most in societies in which power is distributed as thinly and widely as possible. In such environments they are happier, healthier, wealthier, freer, and they achieve more.

The EU, by design, centralises power in Brussels. We are moving into an age of decentralisation and localisation. The EU is the wrong model for the times.

2. Fringe nations perform better

Since the inception of the EU in 1993, the economies of Norway, Switzerland and Iceland (even with its financial crisis) – the fringe nations – have on a per capita basis dramatically outperformed their neighbouring EU economies.

We would be a fringe nation and that would suit us.

3. Regulation should be local

Around 65% of regulation is now set in Brussels. It is of a one-size-fits-all variety, and so often inappropriate to local circumstances. Rather than facilitate progress, regulation hinders it.

Yet, once in place, regulation is hard to change. Rather than get cut, it is added to. We already have too much in our lives. What we need would be much better set locally, according to local needs and circumstances.

4. The economic disaster that is southern Europe

We now have 39% youth unemployment in Italy, 45% in Spain and 49% in Greece. These countries are unable to do the things they need to do to kickstart their economies because decisions are being taken on their behalf; not locally, but in Brussels.

I cannot support with my vote an organisation that has inflicted such misery on its people. Reform of a bureaucratic organisation like that from within is an impossible undertaking.

5. Immigration policy is becoming ever more important

There are more and more people in the world and – whether it’s those displaced by wars, by lack of water, by poverty, hunger or lack of opportunity – more and more of them are on the move. We are in a migration of people of historic proportions.

The UK, in the way it currently operates, will struggle with immigration levels over 300,000 a year (and growing every year) for a sustained period. We don’t have the infrastructure (see James Ferguson’s in-depth piece on immigration on the MoneyWeek website for more detail on this).

I wonder how we get those numbers down. I’m not sure we can, either in or out of the EU. It is a tide in the affairs of men. But we are in a better position to do it with total control of our own borders and border policy.

6. Trade deals are a red herring

As a percentage share, British trade with the EU, despite the single market, has fallen by almost 20% since 1999. British trade with the US, on the other hand, has grown. We have no official trade deal with the US.

Here’s a chart of exports for your delectation.


There is no point having a common market if the economies of the countries you’re in that market with are dying.

7. Further integration with the EU = economic decline

When Britain joined the Common Market in 1973, the EU (as it is now) produced 38% of the world’s goods and services – 38% of global GDP.

In 1993, when the EU formally began, it produced just under 25%. Today the EU produces just 17%.

The obvious explanation for this is the rise of the Asian economies, which have taken on a bigger share of global GDP. But why then has the US’s share not fallen by as much?

The US’s share of global GDP stood at 30% in 1973, 27% in 1993, and stands at 22% today. That’s a 55% drop for the EU versus a 27% drop for the US.

Run away.

8. Democratic accountability matters

The EU is not a democratically accountable body. I didn’t vote for the administrators and nor did you. I don’t know who most of them are. If we want to vote them out, what do we do? We can’t do anything.

And if you want some idea as to the esteem in which they hold democratic process, how about this from the president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Junker: “prime ministers must stop listening so much to their voters and instead act as ‘full time Europeans’.” Or how about another one of his remarks: “when it gets serious, you have to lie”.

Just what you want in a president. Do you remember voting for him? I certainly don’t.

9. Land ownership and the Common Agricultural Policy

There is no greater manifestation of the wealth divide in the UK than who owns land and who doesn’t: 70% of land in the UK is owned by fewer than 6,000 people. Yet these people are not paying tax on the land they own, they are receiving subsidies for it. Landowners are being paid by the EU to own land.

Of the EU budget, 40% goes on agricultural policy. This has created vast amounts of waste. It has propped up inefficient businesses that have failed to modernise. It has re-enforced monopolies which should be broken up. Worst of all, it has meant that African farmers have been unable to compete, depriving millions of a livelihood (not to mention cheaper food for the rest of us).

I cannot endorse with my vote an organisation that does this and shows zero inclination to change its ways.

10. The Common Fishing Policy

60% of EU water is British or Irish. We have not been given any continental land (why should we be?), yet we have had to cede control of our waters to gain EU membership. What was once a huge industry and the largest fishing fleet in Europe has all but disappeared.

The French, Italians, Spanish and Greeks had fished out the Mediterranean. They were given access to our waters and our quota was reduced to 13% of the common resource.

The quotas system brought about the dreadful practice of discards (putting dead fish back in the sea), and reformed EU regulation now means that rather than being put back in the water, it is brought back for landfill instead.

Let’s have our waters back.

I don’t think it takes a genius to work out which way I’m voting tomorrow. Good luck with whatever you choose to do in what will be a historic occasion. I’m looking forward to it.

I believe, in the event we vote to leave, we will experience an economic boom that will take everybody’s breath away, to the extent that we will look back and wonder why we were even discussing it. Fingers crossed.

If you think this article might persuade any of the many wavering, undecided voters, please share it with them.

Dominic Frisby





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Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 07:28:00 Sean Wales
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         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 09:00:00 David Grantley
   Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 08:57:00 Sean Wales
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      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:11:00 Richard Greenhough
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 11:10:00 Richard Greenhough
   Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:01:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:07:00 Russell Pearson
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:18:00 Alan Clark
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 11:09:00 Richard Greenhough
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 11:24:00 Viv Griffiths
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 13:44:00 Claire Moran
      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:08:00 Adrian Irving
   Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:16:00 Richard Jennings
      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:21:00 Jason Maddocks
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:27:00 Jonathan Bingham
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:29:00 Penelope Crocker
               Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 10:41:00 Penelope Crocker
                  Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 10:55:00 Andy Pease
                     Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 11:18:00 John Whitworth
                        Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 11:24:00 Claire Moran
                           Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 12:05:00 Rima Jones
                        Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 11:29:00 Penelope Crocker
                        Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 11:44:00 Andy Pease
                           Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 11:52:00 Adam Beamish
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 11:57:00 Alison Neary
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 12:09:00 Adam Beamish
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 12:20:00 Alison Neary
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 12:27:00 Adam Beamish
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 12:24:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 12:42:00 Rima Jones
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 13:15:00 Adam Beamish
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 13:36:00 Rima Jones
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 13:43:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 14:38:00 Carl Wynne
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 14:57:00 Adam Beamish
                     Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 16:26:00 Vanessa Smith
   Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 12:38:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 12:59:00 Alastair Banton
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 13:15:00 Georgina Flint
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 13:35:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 13:40:00 Georgina Flint
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 14:09:00 Rima Jones
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 14:16:00 Claire Moran
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 15:35:00 Jonathan Bingham
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll - hypocrisy writ large 22/06/16 17:54:00 T P Howell
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 13:46:00 Richard Greenhough
            If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 13:49:00 Penelope Crocker
               Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 14:15:00 Jonathan Bingham
                  Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 14:20:00 Claire Moran
                     Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 14:31:00 Jonathan Bingham
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 14:46:00 Claire Moran
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 14:49:00 Mark Perry
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 15:11:00 Alison Neary
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 15:43:00 Carl Wynne
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 15:47:00 Viv Griffiths
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 15:48:00 Brian Coyle
                  Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 16:03:00 Richard Greenhough
                     Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 16:07:00 Carl Wynne
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 16:19:00 Loraine Pemberton
                     Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 16:35:00 Jonathan Bingham
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 23:59:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 16:18:00 Alastair Banton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 16:48:00 Peter Millman
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 18:28:00 Vanessa Smith
   Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 17:02:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 17:35:00 T P Howell
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 17:43:00 Alison Neary
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 17:58:00 T P Howell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 18:17:00 Alison Neary
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 18:05:00 Robert Fish
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 18:20:00 Alison Neary
   Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 18:07:00 Adrian Irving
      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 18:35:00 Loraine Pemberton
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 18:39:00 Carl Wynne
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:07:00 Loraine Pemberton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:29:00 Carl Wynne
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:30:00 Jill Merrett
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:33:00 Loraine Pemberton
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:35:00 Claire Moran
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:32:00 Claire Moran
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:38:00 Carl Wynne
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:42:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 21:58:00 Carl Wynne
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 22:11:00 Carl Wynne
   Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:39:00 Adrian Irving
      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:50:00 Loraine Pemberton
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:54:00 Adrian Irving
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 20:02:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 20:23:00 T P Howell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 20:58:00 Jill Merrett
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 21:00:00 Jill Merrett
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 21:17:00 Claire Moran
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 22:07:00 Mark Perry
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 22:21:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 22:23:00 Julian Pavey
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 22:24:00 Claire Moran
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 23:19:00 Mark Perry
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 23:53:00 T P Howell
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 23:12:00 Brian Coyle
                              Re: NAGS22/06/16 23:21:00 Stuart Kerr
                                 Re:Re: NAGS23/06/16 20:18:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 23:23:00 Jill Merrett
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 00:23:00 T P Howell
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 07:19:00 Richard Bradford
                                    Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 11:22:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 07:56:00 Alan Clark
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 08:14:00 Ken Munn
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 08:51:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 09:02:00 Ken Munn
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 09:18:00 Rima Jones
                                             Fortunately...23/06/16 09:48:00 Ken Munn
                                                Re:Fortunately...23/06/16 10:10:00 Rima Jones
                                                   Re:Re:Fortunately...23/06/16 10:58:00 Julian Pavey
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Fortunately...23/06/16 11:16:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Fortunately...23/06/16 12:35:00 Ken Munn
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 07:59:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 08:23:00 Rima Jones
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 11:54:00 Richard Bradford
                                       Populus Poll as of 12.00 today23/06/16 12:05:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                          Re:Populus Poll as of 12.00 today23/06/16 12:41:00 Peter Millman
                                             Re:Re:Populus Poll as of 12.00 today23/06/16 12:44:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Populus Poll as of 12.00 today23/06/16 13:15:00 Peter Millman
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Populus Poll as of 12.00 today23/06/16 13:21:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 13:41:00 Rima Jones
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 16:28:00 Richard Bradford
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 17:07:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 20:01:00 Rima Jones
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 20:31:00 Rima Jones
   1975 and all that23/06/16 13:54:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 15:44:00 Rima Jones
         Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 19:57:00 Andy Pease
            Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 20:00:00 Carl Wynne
               Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 20:12:00 Andy Pease
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 20:17:00 Carl Wynne
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 20:24:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 20:32:00 Carl Wynne
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 20:58:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 22:06:00 Carl Wynne
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 20:35:00 Georgina Flint
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 20:38:00 Carl Wynne
            Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 21:40:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 21:55:00 Jill Merrett
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 22:10:00 Georgina Flint
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 22:46:00 Rima Jones
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:07:00 Loraine Pemberton
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:17:00 Georgina Flint
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:34:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                              Re:Opinion Polls and Political Parties24/06/16 09:55:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:35:00 Loraine Pemberton
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:40:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:43:00 bobby osborne
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:48:00 Julian Pavey
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:51:00 Julian Pavey
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:57:00 Julian Pavey
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that24/06/16 00:02:00 Julian Pavey
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that24/06/16 00:02:00 Alan Clark
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that24/06/16 00:20:00 Julian Pavey
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that24/06/16 00:23:00 Georgina Flint
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that24/06/16 04:59:00 Michael Brown

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