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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll
Posted by: Brian Coyle
Date/Time: 22/06/16 23:12:00

"Don't give in to the politics of hatred and division. Vote Remain." What a facile statement. Where exactly is this hatred and division? Perhaps Mr Wynne would care to explain in detail his reasons for wanting to remain in this moribund organisation? I and others might well change our voting intentions.
Notwithstanding,it’s a shame that so many people seem to be so ignorant of the facts, and the past, concerning the EU, since we mistakenly signed up to a Common Market all those years ago. I voted then to join a Common Market, not the schlerotic, bloated, undemocratic gravy train that it’s become.
Who on earth would want approximately 60% of our laws to be made in a foreign country, and have virtually no control whatsoever over them? I want them to be made in this country by the people we elect. At least we have a chance to throw them out every five years.
Perhaps somebody could tell me if we have this unadulterated luxury regarding the unelected bureaucratic non-entities who reside in Brussels? Can we vote them out?  A rhetorical question I know, but perhaps Mr Wynne has the answer? I assume that everyone voting to remain in this failing organisation, knows the names and job titles of all the Brussels bureaucrats who rule over us to such a huge extent, their salaries, perks, pensions, expenses, who elected them, when, and for how long, and how do we get rid of them? Answers on a very small postcard. Mr Wynne might supply the stamps.
The EU economy is growing (if that’s the word), at an appallingly low level compared to that of the UK. Why do so many people insist on remaining on the proverbial ship that is patently going nowhere fast – and slowly sinking? As a dynamic economy, the EU exports well over half of its exports simply to other EU countries. Perhaps Mr Wynne could kindly explain why this is so?
Our fishing industry has been devastated since the Common Fisheries Policy restricted each member state to a 12 mile limit, (admittedly it wasn’t perfect prior to that), but up to 200 miles can be fished by all other member states. This figure of 200 miles is supposed to be an Exclusive Economic Zone under international law, for each country. Perhaps Mr Wynne could explain why this is not the case, as far as the EU is concerned?
How can we run and organise the infrastructure of this country, if we are lumbered with an immigration policy whereby we have no control over immigrants from the EU who eventually are given EU citizenship – and this can only get worse with more and more countries entering the EU. Where’s it going to end? Even if we continue to agree to all this, there is still a physical limit as regards numbers. We need immigration, always have done and always will, but the problem is, that regarding EU immigration we have no real control, due to the ludicrous free movement of people rule. Surely we must be the final arbiters of how many people we can accommodate and look after, not the EU? Otherwise how can we plan sensibly for the NHS, schools, housing, transport and all the other parts of our infrastructure that would need to be addressed, with more and more people wanting to come to this country? We have a great country, but there has to be a limit regarding numbers, not regarding immigration per se. Comments from Mr Wynne please.
Also, we are not allowed, along with other EU members, to make trade deals with the rest of the world. We are a great trading nation, yet we can’t trade as we should. What a marvellous idea.
The EU is a complete mess.  Just look at Spain, Italy, and Greece, all part of this successful, dynamic, and democratic ‘federal state‘. Unemployment in Europe, as a whole, stands at roughly 10% while here in the UK it stands rather less at about 5%. Overall unemployment in France is twice that of the UK. However, if you look at the youth unemployment figures for Greece, (50%), Spain, (45%), & Italy (37%) no wonder Far Right organisations have  appeared, causing untold trouble and misery, such as Jobbik, Golden Dawn, Front National. These groups would hardly have a look in, if the EU was as successful as so many people like to think.
So many people have short term memories, or can’t be bothered to look up a bit of history about the EU, particularly in relation to all the lies and deception we were fed by successive politicians and governments over the past 40 years or so. 
I am amazed at how we have effectively sleepwalked into this huge rotten mess in which we find ourselves today, and even more amazed that anyone in their right mind would want to join it, let alone stay in it.
Did you know that any staff member of the EU Commission could lose his/her pension if they speak out against the EU? These people - e.g. Peter Mandelson - are effectively bribed not to criticise the EU in any shape or form - democracy and corruption working hand in hand.    
The sooner we get out the better.
The more people who vote, the better. At least it will be hugely more democratic than the organisation called the EU. By the way, I’m not saying which way I’m voting…
 


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Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 07:28:00 Sean Wales
   Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 08:15:00 Angela Knight
      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 08:28:00 Mark Perry
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 09:00:00 David Grantley
   Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 08:57:00 Sean Wales
      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 09:59:00 T P Howell
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:07:00 Vanessa Smith
      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:11:00 Richard Greenhough
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 11:10:00 Richard Greenhough
   Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:01:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:07:00 Russell Pearson
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:18:00 Alan Clark
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 11:09:00 Richard Greenhough
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 11:24:00 Viv Griffiths
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 13:44:00 Claire Moran
      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:08:00 Adrian Irving
   Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:16:00 Richard Jennings
      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:21:00 Jason Maddocks
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:27:00 Jonathan Bingham
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 10:29:00 Penelope Crocker
               Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 10:41:00 Penelope Crocker
                  Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 10:55:00 Andy Pease
                     Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 11:18:00 John Whitworth
                        Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 11:24:00 Claire Moran
                           Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 12:05:00 Rima Jones
                        Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 11:29:00 Penelope Crocker
                        Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 11:44:00 Andy Pease
                           Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 11:52:00 Adam Beamish
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 11:57:00 Alison Neary
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 12:09:00 Adam Beamish
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 12:20:00 Alison Neary
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 12:27:00 Adam Beamish
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 12:24:00 Richard Greenhough
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 12:42:00 Rima Jones
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 13:15:00 Adam Beamish
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 13:36:00 Rima Jones
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 13:43:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 14:38:00 Carl Wynne
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 14:57:00 Adam Beamish
                     Re:Re:Outside London - South East and West22/06/16 16:26:00 Vanessa Smith
   Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 12:38:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 12:59:00 Alastair Banton
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 13:15:00 Georgina Flint
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 13:35:00 Claire Moran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 13:40:00 Georgina Flint
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 14:09:00 Rima Jones
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 14:16:00 Claire Moran
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 15:35:00 Jonathan Bingham
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll - hypocrisy writ large 22/06/16 17:54:00 T P Howell
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 13:46:00 Richard Greenhough
            If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 13:49:00 Penelope Crocker
               Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 14:15:00 Jonathan Bingham
                  Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 14:20:00 Claire Moran
                     Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 14:31:00 Jonathan Bingham
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 14:46:00 Claire Moran
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 14:49:00 Mark Perry
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 15:11:00 Alison Neary
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 15:43:00 Carl Wynne
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 15:47:00 Viv Griffiths
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 15:48:00 Brian Coyle
                  Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 16:03:00 Richard Greenhough
                     Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 16:07:00 Carl Wynne
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 16:19:00 Loraine Pemberton
                     Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 16:35:00 Jonathan Bingham
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:If the result, whichever way it goes is very close22/06/16 23:59:00 Richard Greenhough
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 16:18:00 Alastair Banton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 16:48:00 Peter Millman
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 18:28:00 Vanessa Smith
   Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 17:02:00 Alison Neary
      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 17:35:00 T P Howell
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 17:43:00 Alison Neary
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 17:58:00 T P Howell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 18:17:00 Alison Neary
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 18:05:00 Robert Fish
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 18:20:00 Alison Neary
   Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 18:07:00 Adrian Irving
      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 18:35:00 Loraine Pemberton
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 18:39:00 Carl Wynne
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:07:00 Loraine Pemberton
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:29:00 Carl Wynne
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:30:00 Jill Merrett
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:33:00 Loraine Pemberton
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:35:00 Claire Moran
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:32:00 Claire Moran
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:38:00 Carl Wynne
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:42:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 21:58:00 Carl Wynne
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 22:11:00 Carl Wynne
   Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:39:00 Adrian Irving
      Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:50:00 Loraine Pemberton
         Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 19:54:00 Adrian Irving
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 20:02:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 20:23:00 T P Howell
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 20:58:00 Jill Merrett
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 21:00:00 Jill Merrett
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 21:17:00 Claire Moran
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 22:07:00 Mark Perry
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 22:21:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 22:23:00 Julian Pavey
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 22:24:00 Claire Moran
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 23:19:00 Mark Perry
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 23:53:00 T P Howell
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 23:12:00 Brian Coyle
                              Re: NAGS22/06/16 23:21:00 Stuart Kerr
                                 Re:Re: NAGS23/06/16 20:18:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll22/06/16 23:23:00 Jill Merrett
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 00:23:00 T P Howell
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 07:19:00 Richard Bradford
                                    Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 11:22:00 Richard Greenhough
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 07:56:00 Alan Clark
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 08:14:00 Ken Munn
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 08:51:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 09:02:00 Ken Munn
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 09:18:00 Rima Jones
                                             Fortunately...23/06/16 09:48:00 Ken Munn
                                                Re:Fortunately...23/06/16 10:10:00 Rima Jones
                                                   Re:Re:Fortunately...23/06/16 10:58:00 Julian Pavey
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Fortunately...23/06/16 11:16:00 Richard Greenhough
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Fortunately...23/06/16 12:35:00 Ken Munn
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 07:59:00 Loraine Pemberton
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 08:23:00 Rima Jones
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 11:54:00 Richard Bradford
                                       Populus Poll as of 12.00 today23/06/16 12:05:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                          Re:Populus Poll as of 12.00 today23/06/16 12:41:00 Peter Millman
                                             Re:Re:Populus Poll as of 12.00 today23/06/16 12:44:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Populus Poll as of 12.00 today23/06/16 13:15:00 Peter Millman
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Populus Poll as of 12.00 today23/06/16 13:21:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 13:41:00 Rima Jones
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 16:28:00 Richard Bradford
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 17:07:00 Jonathan Bingham
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 20:01:00 Rima Jones
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Doing the Hokey Cokey-Poll23/06/16 20:31:00 Rima Jones
   1975 and all that23/06/16 13:54:00 Richard Greenhough
      Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 15:44:00 Rima Jones
         Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 19:57:00 Andy Pease
            Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 20:00:00 Carl Wynne
               Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 20:12:00 Andy Pease
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 20:17:00 Carl Wynne
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 20:24:00 Claire Moran
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 20:32:00 Carl Wynne
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 20:58:00 Claire Moran
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 22:06:00 Carl Wynne
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 20:35:00 Georgina Flint
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 20:38:00 Carl Wynne
            Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 21:40:00 Adrian Irving
               Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 21:55:00 Jill Merrett
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 22:10:00 Georgina Flint
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 22:46:00 Rima Jones
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:07:00 Loraine Pemberton
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:17:00 Georgina Flint
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:34:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                              Re:Opinion Polls and Political Parties24/06/16 09:55:00 Richard Greenhough
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:35:00 Loraine Pemberton
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:40:00 Huw Burford-Taylor
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:43:00 bobby osborne
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:48:00 Julian Pavey
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:51:00 Julian Pavey
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that23/06/16 23:57:00 Julian Pavey
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that24/06/16 00:02:00 Julian Pavey
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that24/06/16 00:02:00 Alan Clark
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that24/06/16 00:20:00 Julian Pavey
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that24/06/16 00:23:00 Georgina Flint
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:1975 and all that24/06/16 04:59:00 Michael Brown

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