Overnight the situation seems to be developing further with more of the off-the-record non-attributable briefing you describe by Democrats. Adam Schiff is close to Gavin Newsom so a California faction seems to be developing. Nancy Pelosi was also elected for a California district so maybe she is backing whatever they are planning. The problem is that the narrative that the debate catastrophe has caused Biden to slump in the polls is not coming true. The latest one has him back in the lead in Wisconsin and within the margin of error in Pennsylvania and Michigan. Newsom is slick and dynamic and on the centre right of the party but it will be very easy for Trump to present him as a perma-tanned woke west coast liberal with zero interest or understanding of the needs of blue collar workers. Would he outperform Biden in the key swing states? Maybe the Democrats see polling numbers that we don't or maybe this is all court intrigue with people plotting but nobody willing to actually yield the knife in case the king survives. Gretchen Whitmer may also not be the silver bullet that some people say she is if this article in Forbes is to be believed — https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickgleason/2024/07/16/gretchen-whitmers-record-would-be-hard-to-sell-to-national-audience/ Biden is probably going to see a dip in support in the next set of polls to be released but that will be because of the assassination attempt which he can sensibly argue would have affected any candidate. Even so the clock is clicking on the various factions who want him out so they have to strike soon. In the meantime one or two things are going right for Biden. The VP pick highlights the abortion issue which is a plus for Democrats in the swing states, there is greater awareness of Project 2025 and its sheer craziness, Trump continues to be Trump in failing to contact the family of the firefighter who died and the RNC is putting the 'basket of deplorables' on full show. There are a number of other things that can go right for Biden over the next few months which are not beyond the realms of wishful thinking — F16s could turn the tide in Ukraine, Israel might stop the large scale killing of people in Gaza, the Fed might cut interest rates and Trump, after the current uncharacteristic lull, will ramp up the crazy again.  None of us know the full story here but from the outside the argument that Biden can't win is unconvincing and the main thing that would undermine his chances is lukewarm support from within the party. If there is a move to get rid of him, it needs to be quick and clean and happen before the end of the month.

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Topic	Date Posted	Posted By
Oh dear, oh dear	28/06/24 07:37:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Oh dear, oh dear	28/06/24 08:10:00	Nicholas Beard
Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	28/06/24 09:24:00	Colin Jordan
Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	28/06/24 09:36:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	28/06/24 09:40:00	Alastair Banton
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	28/06/24 10:50:00	Colin Jordan
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	28/06/24 11:11:00	Russell Pearson
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	28/06/24 12:49:00	Vanessa Smith
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	28/06/24 13:29:00	Helen Bamberger
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	28/06/24 13:30:00	Richard Greenhough
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	28/06/24 14:22:00	Keith Iddon
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	28/06/24 16:32:00	Colin Jordan
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	28/06/24 16:39:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	28/06/24 16:42:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	28/06/24 17:17:00	Nicholas Beard
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	28/06/24 18:57:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	03/07/24 09:09:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	03/07/24 16:09:00	Janice Evans
The arrogance of a senile old man	12/07/24 07:34:00	Steve Taylor
Re:The arrogance of a senile old man	12/07/24 11:03:00	Mark Evans
Re:Re:The arrogance of a senile old man	12/07/24 11:20:00	Adrian Irving
Re:Re:The arrogance of a senile old man	12/07/24 11:20:00	Janice Evans
Re:Re:The arrogance of a senile old man	12/07/24 11:21:00	Keith Iddon
Re:Re:Re:The arrogance of a senile old man	12/07/24 11:24:00	Janice Evans
Re:Re:Re:Re:The arrogance of a senile old man	12/07/24 11:40:00	Janice Evans
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The arrogance of a senile old man	12/07/24 12:14:00	Mark Evans
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The arrogance of a senile old man	12/07/24 12:38:00	Keith Iddon
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The arrogance of a senile old man	12/07/24 14:41:00	Felicity Caborn
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The arrogance of a senile old man	12/07/24 14:53:00	Keith Iddon
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The arrogance of a senile old man	12/07/24 16:06:00	Felicity Caborn
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The arrogance of a senile old man	12/07/24 16:37:00	Keith Iddon
The arrogance of someone with too much time on his hands	12/07/24 16:59:00	Roger Talbot
Re:The arrogance of someone with too much time on his hands	12/07/24 17:14:00	Keith Iddon
Re:The arrogance of someone with too much time on his hands	13/07/24 09:19:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:The arrogance of someone with too much time on his hands	13/07/24 10:42:00	Mark Evans
Re:Re:Re:The arrogance of someone with too much time on his hands	13/07/24 21:46:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:The arrogance of someone with too much time on his hands	14/07/24 09:47:00	Mark Evans
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The arrogance of someone with too much time on his hands	14/07/24 10:24:00	Janice Evans
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The arrogance of someone with too much time on his hands	14/07/24 13:15:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The arrogance of someone with too much time on his hands	15/07/24 07:47:00	Mark Evans
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The arrogance of a senile old man	15/07/24 14:17:00	Vanessa Smith
Re:The Trump Shooting	14/07/24 12:26:00	Richard Greenhough
Re:Re:The Trump Shooting	14/07/24 13:21:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:The Trump Shooting	14/07/24 13:23:00	Vanessa Smith
Re:Re:Re:Re:The Trump Shooting	14/07/24 13:33:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Trump Shooting	14/07/24 13:40:00	Janice Evans
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Trump Shooting	15/07/24 19:33:00	Keith Iddon
Re:Re:Re:The Trump Shooting	14/07/24 13:28:00	Richard Greenhough
Re:Re:The Trump Shooting	22/07/24 16:20:00	Richard Greenhough
Re:Oh dear, oh dear	14/07/24 13:28:00	Caroline Carney
Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	14/07/24 14:56:00	Vanessa Smith
Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	14/07/24 18:17:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	15/07/24 08:20:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	15/07/24 11:04:00	Vanessa Smith
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	15/07/24 11:48:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	15/07/24 12:02:00	Vanessa Smith
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	15/07/24 12:11:00	Robert Fish
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear have	15/07/24 16:50:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear have	15/07/24 18:19:00	Robert Fish
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear have	16/07/24 08:41:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear have	16/07/24 09:47:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear have	16/07/24 10:15:00	Felicity Caborn
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear have	16/07/24 10:57:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear have	17/07/24 09:16:00	Francis Rowe
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear have	18/07/24 08:13:00	Felicity Caborn
Reply	18/07/24 14:24:00	Francis Rowe
Reply	16/07/24 11:23:00	Andrew OSullivan
Re:Reply	16/07/24 11:52:00	Robert Fish
Re:Re:Reply	17/07/24 08:57:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Reply	17/07/24 15:10:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:  Biden is finished ✅	17/07/24 22:33:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Oh dear, oh dear	17/07/24 23:04:00	Janice Evans
Re:Re:  and another senior Democrat calls for Biden to quit	18/07/24 08:04:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:  and another senior Democrat calls for Biden to quit	18/07/24 22:44:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:  and another senior Democrat calls for Biden to quit	19/07/24 02:17:00	Keith Iddon
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  and another senior Democrat calls for Biden to quit	19/07/24 08:37:00	Colin Jordan
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  and another senior Democrat calls for Biden to quit	19/07/24 09:32:00	Nicholas Beard
Reply	19/07/24 08:55:00	Francis Rowe
Reply	19/07/24 09:24:00	Francis Rowe
Re:Reply	19/07/24 10:29:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Reply	19/07/24 10:26:00	Steve Taylor
Reply	19/07/24 11:05:00	Francis Rowe
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  and another senior Democrat calls for Biden to quit	20/07/24 11:41:00	Vanessa Smith
Re:Oh dear, oh dear	19/07/24 11:45:00	Keith Iddon
Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	20/07/24 09:33:00	Janice Evans
Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	20/07/24 16:09:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	21/07/24 13:51:00	Brian Coyle
Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	21/07/24 16:43:00	Colin Jordan
Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	21/07/24 19:45:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	21/07/24 20:02:00	Steve Taylor
Reply	22/07/24 08:25:00	Francis Rowe
Re:Reply	22/07/24 09:02:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Reply	22/07/24 09:27:00	Felicity Caborn
Re:Re:Re:Reply	22/07/24 09:55:00	Janice Evans
Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply	22/07/24 11:48:00	Felicity Caborn
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply	22/07/24 12:28:00	Janice Evans
Re:Re:Re:Reply	22/07/24 11:06:00	Robert Fish
Re:Re:Re:Reply	22/07/24 16:53:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply	22/07/24 17:14:00	David Burke
Re:Re:Re:Reply	22/07/24 17:00:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply	22/07/24 20:29:00	Mark Evans
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply	22/07/24 21:03:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply	23/07/24 08:49:00	Mark Evans
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply	23/07/24 09:00:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	22/07/24 10:20:00	Brian Coyle
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	23/07/24 08:54:00	Colin Jordan
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Oh dear, oh dear	23/07/24 09:30:00	Alastair Banton
Show some decency, please	23/07/24 12:19:00	Roger Talbot
Re:  Reply	23/07/24 12:35:00	Steve Taylor
Re:White House	23/07/24 12:40:00	Richard Greenhough
Re:Re:White House	23/07/24 12:50:00	Richard Greenhough
Re:Re:White House	23/07/24 13:47:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:  Reply	23/07/24 12:41:00	Jeremy Parkinson
Re:Re:Re:  Reply	23/07/24 12:51:00	Keith Iddon
Re:Re:  Reply	23/07/24 12:50:00	Robert Fish
Re:Re:Re:  Reply	23/07/24 12:57:00	Keith Iddon
Re:Re:Re:  Reply	23/07/24 13:59:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:  Reply	23/07/24 15:41:00	Jeremy Parkinson
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Reply	23/07/24 15:50:00	Keith Iddon
Re:Decline	23/07/24 15:56:00	Richard Greenhough
Re:Re:Decline	23/07/24 17:14:00	Keith Iddon
Re:Re:Re:Re:  Reply	23/07/24 15:57:00	Robert Fish
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Reply	23/07/24 22:31:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Reply	23/07/24 22:53:00	Robert Fish
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Repl	24/07/24 08:52:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Repl	24/07/24 09:12:00	Robert Fish
Re:Trump-enabler	24/07/24 09:17:00	Richard Greenhough
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Repl	24/07/24 15:56:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Repl	24/07/24 17:10:00	Robert Fish
Re:Trump	24/07/24 17:14:00	Richard Greenhough
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  Repl	24/07/24 17:23:00	Mark Evans
Kamala Harris leads by 2% in new poll published at 21:26	23/07/24 23:00:00	Robert Fish
Reply	24/07/24 08:26:00	Francis Rowe
Re:The Popular Vote	24/07/24 09:05:00	Richard Greenhough
Re:Re:The Popular Vote	24/07/24 09:20:00	Robert Fish
Re:Kamala Harris leads by 2% in new poll published at 21:26	24/07/24 15:59:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Kamala Harris leads by 2% in new poll published at 21:26	27/07/24 18:10:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Kamala Harris leads by 2% in new poll published at 21:26	27/07/24 20:16:00	David Burke
Re:Re:Re:Re:Kamala Harris leads by 2% in new poll published at 21:26	27/07/24 21:20:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Kamala Harris leads by 2% in new poll published at 21:26	27/07/24 22:07:00	Stewart Jones
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Kamala Harris leads by 2% in new poll published at 21:26	28/07/24 00:07:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Kamala Harris leads by 2% in new poll published at 21:26	28/07/24 07:29:00	Stewart Jones
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Kamala Harris leads by 2% in new poll published at 21:26	28/07/24 10:40:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Kamala Harris leads by 2% in new poll published at 21:26	28/07/24 22:34:00	Stewart Jones
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Kamala Harris leads by 2% in new poll published at 21:26	28/07/24 22:50:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Kamala Harris leads by 2% in new poll published at 21:26	29/07/24 08:52:00	Stewart Jones
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Kamala Harris leads by 2% in new poll published at 21:26	29/07/24 09:01:00	Steve Taylor
Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Kamala Harris leads by 2% in new poll published at 21:26	29/07/24 09:47:00	Stewart Jones

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