I see that Michael Brown, our resident Holocaust/Twin Towers/Covid Denier, has taken to posting vague, unattributed charts, entirely out-of-context, to try to "prove" his claim that Sweden didn't have a lockdown, and so had far fewer deaths.
This is a complete lie.
1. While Sweden didn't impose a total national lockdown, it did take some measures, such as closing schools and universities and banning gatherings of more than 50 etc. Meanwhile, local authorities imposed further restrictions. More generally, Swedes themselves voluntarily self-isolated and practised enhanced hygiene measures as "good citizens" in a popular social democracy. Further, as a highly developed country, they readily embraced Work From Home, and as analysis of real-time credit card use and travel passes showed, greatly reduced their travel and shopping.
2. Nonetheless, despite the above and the fact that they have a highly developed health service, however you measure it, they have some of the worst death rates in the developed world, CONSIDERABLY worse than their Nordic neighbours.
For example, the current number of Covid Deaths per Million of Population is as follows:
United Kingdom - 672
SWEDEN - 577
France - 515
Denmark - 122
Finland - 64
Norway - 52
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
3. There are emerging any number of authoritative studies, incl from Sweden itself, which show that their approach has been pretty disastrous, eg:
https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/how-finland-kept-covid-19-in-check-and-protected-its-economy-1.4364512
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/28/facebook-posts/sweden-mostly-open-has-higher-covid-19-death-rate-/
(Of course all the above pre-supposes that you you take 5 minutes to google the subject with an open mind - a process clearly alien to nutjob conspiracy theorists like Brown, who are entirely impervious to reason, facts, evidence or indeed basic honesty should such concepts challenge their pre-conceived obsessions.)
3. "Herd Immunity" in the context of Covid is a myth, which has not happened, indeed cannot happen.
For as Sarah Pitt, Fellow of the Institute of Bio-Medical Science at Brighton University recently pointed out in an episode of BBC World Service "Science in Action", in the entire history of Mankind, Herd Immunity has never developed for any virus in the absence of an effective vaccine:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3cszh10 (18 mins 30 secs in)
And once more, even a perfunctory search will demonstrate that that is so, eg
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/herd-immunity-and-covid-19-experts-warn-against-letting-things-rip/ar-BB1aqR9r
https://inews.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-herd-immunity-explained-less-immune-reinfection-rates-738484
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/10/natural-herd-immunity-mentality-cannot-stop-coronavirus-weak-vaccine-cvd/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/18/covid-herd-immunity-funding-bad-science-anti-lockdown
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| Topic | Date Posted | Posted By |
| Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 27/10/20 16:30:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Reply | 27/10/20 16:34:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 27/10/20 16:41:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 27/10/20 17:34:00 | Andrzej Kowalski |
| Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 27/10/20 17:41:00 | Basil Finnis |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 27/10/20 17:52:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 27/10/20 18:04:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re: Michael Brown | 27/10/20 18:15:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Re: Richard Cathcart | 27/10/20 18:21:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Re:Re: Richard Cathcart | 27/10/20 19:24:00 | Alan Clark |
| Re:Re:Re:Re: Richard Cathcart | 27/10/20 20:32:00 | Steve Taylor |
| Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myths of Richard Cathcart. | 27/10/20 20:41:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myths of Richard Cathcart. | 27/10/20 21:41:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myths of Richard Cathcart. | 27/10/20 21:51:00 | Michael Brown |
| Reply | 27/10/20 22:01:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re: brown3rd | 27/10/20 22:17:00 | James Smith-Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myths of Richard Cathcart. | 27/10/20 23:03:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myths of Richard Cathcart. | 28/10/20 07:38:00 | Alan Clark |
| Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 28/10/20 09:00:00 | Andy Riley |
| Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myths of Richard Cathcart. | 28/10/20 09:45:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Re:interesting video | 28/10/20 12:27:00 | James Smith-Jones |
| .. new J20 virus alert.. | 28/10/20 12:48:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:.. Interesting Sky News article | 28/10/20 12:58:00 | Steve Taylor |
| Re:. vidoe for Dick! | 28/10/20 12:59:00 | James Smith-Jones |
| .. new J20 virus alert.. | 28/10/20 13:31:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re: Andy Riley | 28/10/20 16:12:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 28/10/20 13:44:00 | Justin Stephenson |
| Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 28/10/20 15:16:00 | Steve Taylor |
| Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 28/10/20 15:47:00 | Cllr Sam Hearn |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 28/10/20 15:59:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re: The Black Death (1347-51) | 28/10/20 16:29:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myths of Richard Cathcart. | 28/10/20 16:56:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity | 28/10/20 18:10:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myths of Richard Cathcart. | 28/10/20 20:52:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden got it totally wrong! | 03/11/20 22:43:00 | Steve Taylor |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden got it totally wrong! | 04/11/20 11:38:00 | Brian Coyle |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden got it totally wrong! | 04/11/20 11:51:00 | Steve Taylor |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden got it totally wrong! | 04/11/20 12:00:00 | Brian Coyle |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden got it totally wrong! | 04/11/20 13:42:00 | Alan Clark |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden got it totally wrong! | 04/11/20 14:10:00 | James Smith-Jones |
| .. new J20 virus alert.. | 04/11/20 14:58:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re:.. new J20 virus alert.. | 04/11/20 15:26:00 | James Smith-Jones |
| Re:Re:.. new J20 virus alert.. | 04/11/20 15:28:00 | James Smith-Jones |
| 13/11/20 - Update from Sweden | 13/11/20 14:11:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:13/11/20 - Update from Sweden | 13/11/20 17:09:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re: 16/11/20 - Further update from Sweden | 25/11/20 00:41:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Re: 16/11/20 - Further update from Sweden | 25/11/20 06:55:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Re:Re: 16/11/20 - Further update from Sweden | 25/11/20 07:10:00 | James Smith-Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re: 16/11/20 - Further update from Sweden | 25/11/20 08:05:00 | Alan Clark |
| Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 25/11/20 09:38:00 | Basil Finnis |
| Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 25/11/20 13:52:00 | bobby osborne |
| Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 25/11/20 14:25:00 | James Smith-Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 25/11/20 15:20:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 25/11/20 15:30:00 | James Smith-Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 25/11/20 15:33:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 25/11/20 15:38:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 25/11/20 16:06:00 | James Smith-Jones |
| Re: Brown & Osborne - Double Act | 25/11/20 17:39:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Re: Brown & Osborne - Double Act | 25/11/20 18:20:00 | bobby osborne |
| Re:Re:Re: Brown & Osborne - Double Act | 25/11/20 18:40:00 | Michael Brown |
| Reply | 25/11/20 18:59:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown & Osborne - Double Act | 25/11/20 19:37:00 | bobby osborne |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown & Osborne - Double Act | 25/11/20 21:02:00 | bobby osborne |
| Re:Re:Re: Brown & Osborne - Double Act | 25/11/20 21:27:00 | Andrew Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown & Osborne - Double Act | 25/11/20 21:40:00 | Jeffrey Cope |
| Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown & Osborne - Double Act | 25/11/20 22:44:00 | bobby osborne |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown & Osborne - Double Act | 26/11/20 07:06:00 | James Smith-Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown & Osborne - Double Act | 26/11/20 10:43:00 | Michael Brown |
| .. new J20 virus alert.. | 26/11/20 11:05:00 | Richard Greenhough |
| Re: .. new J20 virus alert.. | 26/11/20 12:55:00 | Andrew Jones |
| Re:Re: .. new J20 virus alert.. | 26/11/20 13:07:00 | James Smith-Jones |
| Re:Re:Re: .. new J20 virus alert.. | 26/11/20 22:03:00 | bobby osborne |
| Re:. Dick! | 26/11/20 13:11:00 | James Smith-Jones |
| Re: J-20 forum virus.. | 26/11/20 16:17:00 | Stuart Kerr |
| Re:Re: J-20 forum virus.. | 26/11/20 19:00:00 | bobby osborne |
| Re:Re:Re: J-20 forum virus.. | 26/11/20 21:59:00 | bobby osborne |
| Re:Re:Re:Re: J-20 forum virus.. | 26/11/20 22:41:00 | James Smith-Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: J-20 forum virus.. | 26/11/20 22:57:00 | Claire Moran |
| Re:queen victoria is dead Bobby!!! | 27/11/20 06:34:00 | James Smith-Jones |
| Re: More from Sweden on the myth of herd immunity | 17/12/20 15:17:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Re: More from Sweden on the myth of herd immunity | 17/12/20 16:02:00 | Colin Jordan |
| Reply | 17/12/20 19:32:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:More Brown stuff | 17/12/20 23:40:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Neighbours, everybody needs good neighbours.. | 17/12/20 23:49:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Neighbours, everybody needs good neighbours.. | 18/12/20 00:10:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Brown stuff piling up... | 18/12/20 13:04:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Cathcart in Denial | 18/12/20 14:00:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:MB in Denial | 18/12/20 14:09:00 | John Whitworth |
| Twitworth in Denial | 18/12/20 14:17:00 | Michael Brown |
| Data processing | 18/12/20 14:32:00 | John Whitworth |
| Re:More on Data processing | 18/12/20 14:45:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Re:More on Data processing | 18/12/20 14:48:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re: Ever deeper in the Brown stuff... | 18/12/20 19:18:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Re:Cathcart talking out of his botty... | 18/12/20 19:35:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Re:Re:Cathcart talking out of his botty... | 18/12/20 23:15:00 | Alan Clark |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Cathcart talking out of his botty... | 18/12/20 23:29:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Data processing | 18/12/20 15:28:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Data processing | 18/12/20 15:43:00 | John Whitworth |
| Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 18/12/20 19:57:00 | James Roy |
| Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 18/12/20 22:50:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Re:Re:Covid, Sweden and the Myth of Herd Immunity. | 18/12/20 23:58:00 | Vivienne Cox |
| Re: Brown stuff - now smellier than ever. | 19/12/20 00:06:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re: James Roy | 18/12/20 23:58:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re: Latest news from Sweden (18/12/20) | 19/12/20 00:13:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Re: Latest news from Sweden (18/12/20) | 19/12/20 00:53:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re: Ankle deep in Brown stuff | 19/12/20 01:10:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Illogical RC | 19/12/20 02:19:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Illogical RC | 19/12/20 02:29:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Re:Illogical RC | 19/12/20 11:32:00 | bobby osborne |
| Re:Re:Re:Illogical RC | 19/12/20 12:29:00 | Basil Finnis |
| Re: Drowning in brown stuff now | 19/12/20 18:35:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Reply | 19/12/20 20:40:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Reply | 19/12/20 21:01:00 | Robert Fish |
| Re:Re:Reply | 19/12/20 21:08:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re: More Brown stuff | 19/12/20 21:42:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Cathcart running for cover.. | 19/12/20 21:50:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Re: Drowning in brown stuff now | 19/12/20 21:41:00 | Stewart Jones |
| Re:Re:Re: Drowning in brown stuff now | 19/12/20 21:45:00 | bobby osborne |
| Re:Re:Re:Re: Drowning in brown stuff now | 19/12/20 21:58:00 | Michael Brown |
| The deadly virus | 20/12/20 09:06:00 | Michael Brown |
| 12/01/21 - Another update from Sweden | 12/01/21 16:49:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:12/01/21 - Another update from Sweden | 12/01/21 16:52:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re: Brown exposes himself yet again... | 13/01/21 13:39:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Re: Brown exposes himself yet again... | 13/01/21 13:57:00 | Robert Fish |
| Re:Re:Re: Brown exposes himself yet again... | 13/01/21 14:51:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown exposes himself yet again... | 13/01/21 15:06:00 | Robert Fish |
| Re: Mr Cathcart again...... | 13/01/21 15:08:00 | Stuart Kerr |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown exposes himself yet again... | 13/01/21 15:11:00 | Michael Brown |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown exposes himself yet again... | 13/01/21 15:58:00 | Brian Coyle |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brown exposes himself yet again... | 13/01/21 16:45:00 | Roger Talbot |
| Re: Roger Talbot | 13/01/21 20:12:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Re: Roger Talbot | 13/01/21 20:47:00 | Robert Fish |
| Re: Robert Fish | 13/01/21 19:42:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Re: Robert Fish | 13/01/21 21:26:00 | Roger Talbot |
| Re:Re:Re: Robert Fish | 13/01/21 21:29:00 | Roger Talbot |
| Re: Roger Talbot (2) | 13/01/21 22:35:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Re:Re: Robert Fish | 14/01/21 13:15:00 | Andrew Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re: Robert Fish | 14/01/21 13:44:00 | Robert Fish |
| Re: Robert Fish (2) | 14/01/21 14:56:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Robert Fish | 15/01/21 03:40:00 | Andrew Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Robert Fish | 15/01/21 10:14:00 | Stuart Kerr |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Robert Fish | 16/01/21 20:50:00 | Robert Fish |
| Swedish Covid death toll passes 10,000... | 14/01/21 16:44:00 | Ken Munn |
| Re:Swedish Covid death toll passes 10,000... | 14/01/21 16:48:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Re:Swedish Covid death toll passes 10,000... | 14/01/21 20:25:00 | Steve Taylor |
| Re:Re:Re:Swedish Covid death toll passes 10,000... | 15/01/21 10:28:00 | James Roy |
| Re: Mortality Rates per 100k of population | 15/01/21 12:05:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:Re: Mortality Rates per 100k of population | 15/01/21 17:17:00 | Steve Taylor |
| Re:Re:Re: Mortality Rates per 100k of population | 15/01/21 17:23:00 | Russell Pearson |
| Pedantry corner | 15/01/21 18:25:00 | John Whitworth |
| Re:Pedantry corner | 15/01/21 18:30:00 | Russell Pearson |
| Re:Re: Mortality Rates per 100k of population | 15/01/21 19:37:00 | Brian Coyle |
| Re:Re:Re: Mortality Rates per 100k of population | 16/01/21 23:25:00 | Alan Clark |
| 19/01/21 - Latest Update from Sweden | 19/01/21 17:28:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Re:24/02/21 - Latest Update from Sweden | 25/02/21 19:37:00 | Richard Cathcart |
| Altruism appeal. | 25/02/21 19:55:00 | Keith Iddon |